It was possible before spark tp even announced, nothing really changed after so I don't see any connection. Yes, making Specimen SAP became a little easier but taking to the account it's dumb already, that's not bad.

Suggestion I had in another thread to somewhat fix Force Projection against SAPs and outposts:

Deliberately change it so matching outposts on different faction islands always have clashing SAP times: Laosura same as New Crimea and Brightstone. Nauwy same as Koykili and Karapyth etc. Good luck to anyone trying to hold more than one or two island of the same type.

Who concluded this?

You could say everyone in GC, but since Everyone wasn't in GC, then you can't be sure that it was Everyone but me.

And then the question would still stand, who was in GC?

Based on population, it was likely 4 people (64 accounts), which is hardly everyone.

In any case, if "everyone" agreed, it was a circle jerk of like minded people with very little actual debate, which hardly makes for a valid conclusion.

I can almost believe everyone that still plays was there

One of the most frustrating things I found for SAPs was having to sit there and wait. I would hazard that most people that like PVP like when a fight breaks out over a SAP; it's just so few times when it acutally is a 'fun' fight.

It's about motivation, not the SAP Mechanics; other mechanics that change the motivation yes, but probably not the SAP mechanic directly.

If an opposing force wants to take an outpost, they will show up at each SAP with as many people as they can. It's just logical and expected that an FC that wants to win will take what they need to win; which is usually everyone (and most PVP people don't want to sit out of a battle anyway!!)

On the Defense, the same. An FC that wants to keep an outpost is going to bring everyone they can together to defend it.

Basically, SAPs will always be blobbed if the outpost is actually under contention. Small groups that just want the sap loot aren't what we need to be considering.

The reason why it's so complicated, is because they aren't 'fixed number arena PVP'. Not that it should be, only that because it's not, you can't compare SAPs to things like capture the flag or battlegrounds with multiple objectives. Simply because its almost a certainty that the sides won't be numerically balanced.

That leaves out something like having all (3) SAPs at an outpost go active. This just makes the need for MORE troops even more critical; for both attackers and defenders.

4 hr cooldown fixes everything.

Tbh, Intrusions 1.0 wasn't that bad.

WARNING long *** post

P'much.

This is my latest thoughts on how intrusions could maybe work:

I think the best way to go would be remove saps as they work right now.

• in order to trigger an intrusion you should have to shoot at the station & get its HP down to (insert number)

• The owner of the station gets to specify an 8 hour time period when intrusions can take place.

• Once the station hits the needed HP an intrusion event is issued 48-72 hours later.

On winning an intrusion the defender gets Sap loot Equal to about what you might get with 2-3 days worth of loot say.
No invulnerability tho to the defended station. any mechanic like that can be abused. if you cant defend your assets then you will lose them.

IF the attacker wins the Intrusion control of the station reverts to Neutral & docking is open to all sides.

16-24 hours later a new intrusion will automatically be generated by the station. And it will generate an Intrusion every day till some one takes ownership & will do so at a random time.

Saps in intrusion 3.0

Intrusion lats for 1 hour

Saps wouldn't appear on the terrain.

Intrusion Telleports would open around the island that would telleport any one to the active intrusion instance aka Intrusion arena.

In the Arena would be the Saps.
Saps would be persistent staying active in the Arena for the Duration of the intrusion.
To win the intrusion your corporation must have won the most Saps.

i made a post ages ago with some ideas for Saps feel free to skip its kinda long. but might give some people a few ideas ...

To do any like the above would be alot of work but TBH theres not point in doing a Sh*t job on this mechanic it deserves better than that.
IMO the above is truly a dynamic system in that you can attack a station any time you want BUT as a defender you get 2-3 days to prep for your defense.

Some people are going to say that this hurts new players & sap loot. Well new players shouldnt be trying to own Beta Outposts lol.

Give the loot drops for artifacting a boost to compensate since thats where new / solo players will get the most benefits.

Take Intrusion back the the grand old days of 2 sides actually maning up & meeting each other on the battle field

Outpost Auras & Docking Control should switch from being stability related to pure time based.

Edit: as a way to make it harder for 1 corp to own lots of Outposts what do yas think of this:
1 Outpost = 8 hour time frame for Intrusions to randomly occur in
2 Outposts = 4 hour time frame for Intrusions to randomly occur in
3+ Outposts = 1 or 2 hour time frame for Intrusions to randomly occur in
Ima bout to fall asleep but if you cant work out why i say this is a balancing factor against multiple outpost control ill tell you later <3 ZZZ time

any way thats just some thoughts ive had about the intrusion system for the last year or so lol.

I think it opens up windows for some clever tactics. If half of the enemy fleet is out on a wild goose chase, the other half is a lot easier to deal with. If they happen to send just few they think can get the job done, it's exploitable too.

Not that much difference to owning just one island. If someone is attacking same island type SAPs then his own SAPs have potential to be unguarded. If someone were to own several of the same island types, it would be increasingly difficult to hold them.

// I'm just trying to find something that would not require too much coding.

I may be late to the party, but actually I disagree. But I will leave the Spark discussion to the other topic.
I think synchronizing the outposts would help, yet not in the current situation. There are too few players to attack multiple outposts at the same time at the moment, so it would be a rather bad change. Don't really have any good suggestions though

The original idea that was pitched by the dev's way back was that the longer you lived there the higher your stability.
Have saps be a part of the game still just make them more dynamic....
Sap will appear 1 hour after Corp x-y-z have destroyed and placed 4 Outpost Control Towers (OCT) of their own.
OCT must be placed with-in 2 km of the out post and not with in 500m of each other. Once all 4 owner OCTs are killed the aggressor can drop down 4 of their own. The Sap will start in exactly one hour after all 4 are dropped. After the sap. The stability of the outpost will drop 10 points every hour meaning in 10 hours with out watching your station it can fall to the enemy 5 hours later they will lock you out and 5 hours again they will own the outpost.

• OCT's influence the amount of ownership points you or your enemy receive every hour with all 4 you receive 10, with only 3 you get 6, 2 -> 3, and lastly 1 gets you 1.

• This will inturn force you to guard your Outpost @ 20 hours to ensure you don't lose control.

• OCT's must be heavy armored like 10 mins of shooting with a full dps heavy to take it no log sequer in and *** our plasma bombs.

• OCTs will ping like gamma base when under attack.

• Only 4 OCTs can be deployed by one corp in 24 hours so choose your outposts wisely. And choose when to drop a new OCT for defence wisely as well.

Just throwing some ideas out there.

I personally think it should stay with the current system until outpost is at 100% and then revert back to the old system. Losing would put you down to zero again but fewer intrusions to defend and you know when the enemy is coming as they have to register.