1°-Requires Specific Harderner Damage From The Start...
2°-Shield Hardeners Should Be Active.
3°-If Devs Dont Change This We Will See All Mechs With Shield Soon.

the intresting thing is that this comes from the most shield users... the more i have to give hunter credit for it.

but i have to agree in general. the shield mechanik needs a general overhaul. dont has to be the way hunter showed. but something must be done.

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I want more than one fit-setup for tanking. For example "ECM-tank", which can evade from locking.

I always complained about visibility of hit size. I mean, if trojar fits evasive, it should looks smaller.
Same about shields: if shield depends of hitsize,then it display size should be adjusted to robot size. And i can tell you more: according to current display of shield - hitsize of shielded robots should be very big but its not.
Also current calculation: hitsize and shield radius is very very funny and unlogical, according to geometry.
But overall, balance was made very very good, according to numbers.
So, solutions:
Change balance according to display.
Change display according to balance.
Don't touch anything, what not so fun(

If the Sheild and Armor tank have equivalent DPS, the Armor tank will win or it will end in a draw in a 1v1 situation.

The only time DPS is being applied to bots in this type of fight is when the sheilds are down. The armor tank is wasting ammo on the shield, and the sheilded bot can't fire while the sheild is up.

So, during that small window while the sheild is down (being 1-1 again) the armor tank will land damage on the unsheilded bot. The sheilded bot is going to have little armor while the armor tank is be definition going to have a significant amount of armor.

When the shield goes back up, the armor tank will simpy repair what small % of damage was done, while the sheild bot won't have a repper fit. So by attrition, the sheild tank will eventually be whittled down every time it tries to attack.

Of course, this doesn't take into account any Neuting for either scenerio. But assuming in they both have neuts fit, the same thing applies. The shield tank is going to try to empty out the armor tanks reactor, so they have no acc to DPS them with the sheild down. The counter is to simply let the sheilded bot neut, and macro your injector to spacebar, so you get the acc right before your alpha strike. So again, the armor bot has the advantage.

The last thing not taken into account, is the type of weapons. If the sheild bot is missle based and the armor tank is turret, then yes the shielded tank can get LOS and fire without fear of retaliation. But again, the sheilded bot has to maintain that DPS and they can't Neut while LOS so the armor tank can again just heal up the damage unless they can sustatain the DPS.

Um, well last-last Is the player skill. If the armored bot pilot isn't good at PVP, and knowing how to play thier tank, then that has nothing to do with the build.

I'm only saying this about 1v1, not that sheilded bots in general are better or worse than armor tanked bots, but if I had my choice in the 1v1 battle, i'd take the armor tank. Most likely it would end in a draw, as the shielded bot simply wouldn't drop sheilds and we would both wander away.

Except you forgot the most important aspect of this scenario - Tyrannos, which has 4 missle slots and can fit 2 neuts, which will be effective regardless of shields being up.  Whereas the Artemis and the Kain, get 4 turret slots and a missle slot and 4 turret and 2 missle slots, respectively.  In order for the Artemis or the Kain to fit neuts, they have to actually drop at least one of their primary weapon systems, reducing it's dps potential.  Whereas the tyrannos can fully fit all it's primary weapon systems AND 2 neuts.  In addition, the AP usage for missle launchers are extremely low in comparison to lasers and EM guns, giving far greater neut potential to the tyrannos, while still allowing for full dps, and shielded, it can sit there with low accum and still turn it's shields on, unlike a repper which uses significantly more AP to activate.  Take a wild guess as to the results here...

Tyranos is very slow and doesn't do much DPS. It should come as no surprise to anyone that it has other benefits.

you know which tank - tank battle ends in a draw? shield tyrannos vs. repair tyrannos... where is the error?

That picure is a *** fit tyrannos and 3 t4 w/e hardeners will never fit yes also tryannos is skill intensive to make work and fit

Proto t2 missiles and t2 2x hardeners t2 neut  t2 or t4 med aux insted of the recharger prolly be the way to fit it

2 ECCM is one way of "eletronic" tanking
2 med plates - againts demobs
neuting - injectors with AR
Sensor suppresing - 2 SA
I know those tanks are not usable too often, but there is a way to do that

But Hunters point: Its impossible to fit high end T4 shield tank (the ones everyone is complaining about) with drainers/neuts at all.

You must make big sacrifices elsewhere in your fitting to fit these modules. I often have to run co processors or even coreactors on tyranos mk2.

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And that fit did not even use a medium injector (not saying its bad) but its hardly even a fitting intensive tyranos tank fit.

Exactly!