They shouldn't be balancing around what 2% of the population is capable of doing. That's only fun for the 2% and frustrating for everyone else.

They should balance around what at LEAST 20% is capable of doing. That brings in more competition and better fights and markets.

By catering the game toward M2S they drive away everyone else.

So how's that 200 people server working for ya' eh devs?

Sounds familiar, but I was talking about research specifically.

I don't think M2S is having more fun than anyone else the way the game is setup. They are certainly more organized and progressed in the game, but I don't feel as if everything is balanced their way; certain aspects such as research are just more sensitive to highly organized game play.

Not to put words in their mouth, but having stronger enemies would acutally make the game funner for them. Having the whole server blob them continually would probably not be so much fun, as it wouldn't be for anyone, so there has to be some challenging aspects to the game in gaining power to make it interesting for both sides.

The dev challenge here is that anything you do to make the game easier, makes it that much easier for the organized corps too. Where you can make adjustments though, is when that organized group 'caps' something, then making that activity easier does not dilute the game for that corp as they have already accomplished it. I don't mean just handing out free kernels, 20% 'easier' still means a significant challenge for the majority of the server (the 80% that are still struggling).

I'm repeating myself from other posts, but having a system where only the Beta corps are strong enough to threaten each other results in a stagnent system. M2S is berrating 62'nd for joining with another beta alliance for intrusions, but the reality is that alpha based corps are at such a disadvantage that they can not directly threaten beta corps (they can and do some damage, but nothing that would actually threaten continued beta operations).

This thread is about the change. I want to see some. SOMEONE will always be the most powerful corp on the server, that's not the problem, but if there's no chance for the status quo to change, then that is when the fun dies (even for the 'top' dog).

Its not up to M2S to change what they are doing, the rest of the server needs to change, but we also are going to need some help from above...just little nudges though, if your looking for the soup kitchen, its over that way in WOW

I stopped reading after this, but Agra, you misunderstand me. We don't sell any of the ore we mine, it's all put into production. I used nic as a form of value. We're doing just fine in my opinion every time I look in the corp hanger there's plenty of *** to get blown up in.

But yeah, I guess that's what I want back, in more simplified terms, I'd like to be able to AFK mine while I pvp/farm/artifact scan. Mining is not fun at all, and farming npcs isnt much fun either. What's the point in having the other account. Mining is all that account does. Was nice to pull my own weight in terms of providing something in return for what I get blown up in and still do something that was fun.

I'd still like to see the return of previous minerals. Adding noralgis to t4, in my opinion set it apart sufficiently from t3 to make it more of a loss -- and worth more -- as to give t3 more of an option to people in pvp. I was told part of the reason for the nerf and the addition of noralgis was because the devs didn't want everyone running around in t4  all the time, and having it be the de facto fitting almost to the point of exclusion of everything else for pvp.

But lets face it, anyone who does alot of pvp knows that at the barest minimum you need a t4 frame for roam situations. Even for your own island defense you really need them just to catch the enemy. Skill matters alot in this game, but there's still alot of importance for fittings. You'd have to be pretty damn good, and your opponent pretty damn bad if you're fitting all t1 and beating all t4 fit.

I don't much care to talk about intrusions as I don't really want any part of them until some other system is worked out. Seeing as in how this is probaly the best way to do them, or we make taking a station take much longer - like say, you have to fight over 1 sap every intrusion (but make owning a station YOURS, you can block people based on standings from entering). Then again if you did that you'd have to release some sort of alliance system, or require it to take a 24 hours or so before the owner of a station can block a corp/people from the outpost so you don't have some *** holding people's things hostage.

I was going to go back and delete that part, I accidentally slipped some politics into an otherwise neutral post about balancing - not motivation, but I got busy at work and hit the send and forgot about it.

Are you sure there aren't atleast 3 r's in berrrate..    *I also didn't get to spell check before hitting send*

So norhoop is NRDS(not red don't shoot) now?!? Or do they just not shoot 62nd or rg? Please explain... Because seemingly obvious damage control is obvious..

NRDS can also stand for 'nut-holding *** doing stupid-shit'....#biwinning

I kid, I kid... I made the standings pretty obvious in my OFFICIAL alliances post.... This should be discussed there if it is misstating the current alliances....

I don't think the volume based thing will work at all.  Rather than having no stores so they're forced to the market, big corps will just break up in to smaller ones to avoid the tax and keep their stuff (assuming it would be significant enough for them to care to start with).

As for having an economist, obviously the game is too small to actually pay someone.  However, they might be able to corral some grad students or something who would be interested in analyzing the data for free for say a thesis or something.

I know that WoW, for example, has had a number of academic papers based on the economy and other things in the game to the point where they now charge for access to that data. 

It might be a boon to some researchers to be able to have access to the financial stuff just for their own research and in return could provide helpful suggestions for improving it and I don't think it would hurt to ask at all.

Great idea, I do some work with research organisations including universities and they are always keen to look for new research opportunities. stEVE ended up with dedicated people and has an established economy, Perp is still young, can still suffer big swings and that could be very interesting to researchers wanting to do a longer piece of work.

And they can't take the heat, I'm sure GLiMPSE and others would step up to be part of the interviewing panel. If they make it out without crying, they might just be the right candidate

I can confirm Glimpse is as much of a ***** on TS as he is on the forums.

I also support enslaving economy graduates to our cause.

I like how people think the new islands will change anything.
Currently there is a peak of 300 users once a week.
That's 300 people over 6 islands. Of these 300 people it is a safe bet to assume a large majority (Around 90%) are all within 2km's of a safe location or are on alpha islands.

6 new islands will not bring enough people back to the game because it won't change anything. The new islands bring nothing. The new islands were needed 2 months ago. Territory control is needed now and if that takes 2 months to arrive it'll be too late.

6 new islands will bring a few people back but they won't replace the amount leaving the game. The new player experience is turning too many people away. Blobbing is putting exciting players off from playing and while a lot of people might have purchased a lonh turn subscription that doesn't mean they are playing. This game has no end game.

Don't get excited about new islands.

Deep breathe there Nostradamis... the Mayan calendar hasn't reached 2012 yet... Perpetuum still has lots of living to do.

Territory control/end game vs. 90% on or around safe points.

That leaves only 10% of the population waiting for End game and/or Territory control. Dev time is better spent improving the game for the remaining 90% to get more of them prepared for end game. By prepared I mean game experience in combat and resource management (human and mineral) and provide additional activities so players avoid burn-out; that's corps managing resources and not putting the same person on gate duty every night until they just stop logging in.

Maybe 2 or 3 corps (not alliances) are ready for territorial control and there is only 1 corp that is standing alone in end-game. M2S is just really effcient at playing the game, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the sever is ready to move to the next stage of game play.

I'm not recruiting anyone because I feel the player base is already too spread out already. The merging of corps is a good thing at this point in the game. Controlling a territory with 30 active players (not agents) seems like a small number and certainly not end game. More likely is corps and alliances will 'try' to do it and fail, resulting in another exodus of disappointed and burned out sparks.

What I hope to see are corps merging together to populate the new Islands, relying less on alliances for Island support and more as inter-Island alliances vs. the current intra-Island support. Once that happens and the regions are fairly stable, then the server will be ready for more end-game content.

EDIT: You need a more mixed ticket Preferrably mortal enemies to prevent the government from actually accomplishing anything!!

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