Thats the explanation to: Why people left this game after the patch and why we need to rebalance a couple of things to get them back.

4:1 is acceptable for _some_ people (as we can see). But the many players/people think its just boring. And they are right...
Especially people who already love this game are willing to accept 4:1 but even those get bored because population drops...
Im not sure if this game needs 2:1 or 3:1 but something needs to change.

@Zoom sorry...

guess what the guy does with all those 700U Imentium that you sold on the market.

its enough to build 30 mechs on alpha island, and for preorder-production-agents on beta islands with almost maxed standings thats probably enough imentium to build the 120 t1 gauss cannons for those 30 Kains from the same stack.

If you didn't have to work for your MECHS (we're talking big bots here, not small bots that can be produced inexpensively, and serve to emphasize my point)... mechs that are pretty close to the current 'end game' they would mean nothing.. i know everyone wants to be in big shineys all the time, but if you're not willing to put in the work to be in that big shiney, you want to degrade the value of them and simplify this games already minimal content. What you're asking for is the ability to beat the game quicker... you're asking for something that you don't realize that you don't want.

Please take a look at my example .. thats just a intakt.
Even a ratio of 1:1 (e.g. you could mine that much in one hour) would mean that you actually have to work one hour to get your intakt back...

And you know how fast this little bots die ..

Edit: If he sells his ore for .. lets say 4 NIC per ore then indys will just adjust prices.
Polynitrocol would be more expensive and prices for ammo and a couple of other things would go up...

More ore will lower ore prices yes, and prices of everything tbh.

Lets concentrate one this two points ..

Buff mined amount, make everything cheaper by 1/3

yields .. i would suggest * 1,5
make everything cheaper by 1/3 .. 1/3 less ore required to build something.

In my example it would be like that:

6 000 000 NIC earned (from the imentium you mined for three hours):

Intakt:
Marketprice for one (fitted): 3 259 130
Real production price (fitted): 1 926 444.96

Work/fun Ratio for one fitted intakt would be between 1:1/2:1 and prolly 3:1 for a newb .. tada! ..

Work 3 hours .. put one intakt into your storage, waste one pvping and sell one to some newb. That wont fix the server population but maybe the economy

I think it gave up and left a couple of pages back

I ink 4:1 is okay, caveated with s need for a vibrant economy. Whilst the reality of 4:1 Right now is actually more like 6:1 because the Market is poor what we need is it to 'feel' like 3:1 or 2.5:1 because the things we all mine/kill can easily be sold at good prices and can be sold consistently.

NPC buy orders are daft, remove them so players are the only route for purchasing

Add higher level NIC sinks so the alliances and large corps NEED to buy stuff from the Market

DO NOT make mining afk'able again, it will kill the above measures

Add vanity NIC sinks to remove some of the NIC from the game without affecting the economy

As always I am probably wrong but hey let's all contribute

Stop with that stupid volume based tax idea, seriously. Apart from the fact it's a completely stupid idea it has so many holes you could make a jpeg out of it and Siddy would enjoy it.

I think it's a great idea despite what Styx says. It will work to punish the unorganized blob and increase the whining about the DEV's catering to M2S's needs.

Apologies for not being clear enough, in terms of NIC sink I consider anything which would require you to buy from the market for large scale building/needs to be a NIC sink. Consider that for beta dwellers or large alliances, mining low end isn't actually that profitable compared to what you can make on the islands. Hence, add big stuff the alliances will want (add big stuff ideas here) that require things like 500m Titan ore, 400m hdt etc etc. Beta islanders will sell back beta stuff to alpha to make the money to buy in the volumes they need to make Big Stuff. This further stimulates alpha economy and brings prices up for the care bears which can improve the PvE experience.

I also agree with GLiMPSE, the disorganised blob will not be as successful as the organised small or medium sized corps. This is beneficial for all.

Edit for Gordon.
I never suggested inflating NIC, the issue we all have right now is that there aren't enough outlets for NIC, especially for the large island corps. As long as they continue to be self sufficient, everyone suffers. Reducing build costs will only exacerbate that as in easing life for the smaller players, you serve to further increase the gap to the island holders and alliances. The control needs to be the other way around.

Despite what I say? My statement is correct in regards to the post it was referring to. Should all things stay the same adding new NIC sinks wouldn't encourage people to buy from the market but the opposite. However if you added new low-level resource sinks for new features aimed at beta dwellers then yes, the market would be simulated providing the demand of the additional resources was great enough to not be outweighed by what the beta dwellers could already mine.

I've suggested taxes and other things, and while those are OK for NIC sinks, what I would really like to see is something that motivates corps to have NIC -flow- through the market instead of just sinking it directly.

Big ticket resource items are good for creating flow, or higher cycling volumes of smaller items (like pvp losses in bots).

More important is if tax NIC sinks are implemented, it has to be a set of taxes. I'm not as sneaky as Styx is, but it only takes 1 work-around to avoid a single tax, where a suite of taxes (which have a lower base than a single tax) can cover it. Or a tax on a choke point like selling in the market.

If you tax stores in large volumes, generally corps will convert to NIC and operate more on a JIT production method. This will generate an initial rush of goods through the market, but it will dry up quickly. The net result is that more NIC will be removed from the economy by tax and NIC hording instead of having it flow through the economy.

If you only tax savings, then the opposite will occur.

Taxes are the stick, I would like to see a carrot instead. More NIC flowing through the economy is better all around, it feels more productive and encourages more market activity. I don't know what the % of the overall NIC volume is 'stalled' in wallets and the market, but I'm sure the devs know.

Maybe someone with an economics degree could let us know what a healthy amount of NIC traffic vs GNP is.

The game isn't a full simulation, maybe the economy, resources, and other configurable items are set for an expected population that just isn't in game; many hands make light work, but we don't have that many hands. What I'm suggesting, is that maybe the game needs something dynamic that can pickup some of the 'grinding load' for a smaller population, and can be backed off as we get more 'hands'.

Why should every large corp NEED to buy something? How is that relevant to anything?