For me, this is the truth.

I could just join another corp, but it should be possible with hard work to at least live on the fringe... Well, maybe I could, than again CS put a forum gag-order on, and I went through withdrawls

Insurance in EVE is based on a per ship base price set by CCP. That is why it works. (I believe they nerfed it down a bit more not long ago.)

Now with that said it still are times where one could benefit from blowing up certain ships that were insured and make a profit.

If the market is dead, and NIC isn't changing hands, the only way to get NIC is from the game system. So you can run assignments for NIC, or blow up insured bots. If the ORE is worth nothing on the market, than anything you get from insurance is a profit.

Supply / Demand. Where there is demand, supply would be created. With over supply as we have now, prices lower and corporate wallets stay stuffed and cargoes fill with ore waiting for demand to be used. There are corps with plenty of bots waiting for the need to be used. There are corps with many millions of Units ore waiting for demand/need to be used. As the player base stifles and stutters, the existing demands slow further so builders have no incentive to build.. so supplies dry up. As demand increases, so will supply. Unfortunately for gamers, we are all impatient and need regular fixes of joy happy shiny and we don't like to have to wait for too long which is a really short time for most. Devs.. you have plenty of talent and capacity to fix instead of continual nerfing so please.. Git R Done!

P.S. If this has any relevance to the current topic it is purely by accident and should not be held against this poster.

So, your saying that Miners have nothing to spend the NIC on?

The same question could be asked for Mission/Kernel sellers? What do combat pilots buy with the NIC they make?

Ammo -- Miner charges :Both roles have recurring costs associated with operation

Modules and Bots -- On beta, you lose mechs and mining bots equally, while on Alpha you DON'T lose the bots equally. That is if your losing bots in PVE then your doing it wrong.

But, everyone wants to upgrade, so miners need NIC for that Lithus while combat needs NIC for that heavy mech. Same holds true for modules, Miners want to upgrade thier mining lasers to T4 eventually because they get more ORE per cycle, just like combat pilots get more damage per cycle with T4 weapons. And the same holds true for head and leg slots too.

TL;DR - All roles use NIC in basically the same way, by reinvesting in their equipment and for recurring fees.

The alpha combat pilot doesn't lose bots either, or they lost bots with the same frequency; miners running a termis into a alpha pack because they were not paying attention, or a combat pilot getting demobbed and killed because they took on too many NPC's.

I thought your post was about what miners spend NIC on? I think I clarified that it does not just go into their wallet and sit, regardless of where the miner is operating.

Your asking for Bounty for combat?

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as the NIC/hour earning for combat pilots remains balanced with other mission types. I disagree though if your premise is that combat pilots need more NIC than miners because they PVP.

I see words of the miner with which all suits which wants more money and to change wants nothing.

From what the miner can be lost?
On alpha island:
1) If it will start to extract ore near to NPC. (But it won't dig there)
2) If it will be in AFK a mode, and nearby will dig out an artifact with NPC.
3) If it will PvP mode on and will shout "kill me!".
On a beta island:
1) All previous points.
2) If investigation won't warn in time about intrusion.

From what the hunter perishes?
On alpha island:
1) told All above.
2) Permanent contact with the enemy.
On beta island:
1) All aforesaid.
2) Even more dangerous enemies (npc/players).
3) destruction in PvP (for example when protect miners).

The market isn't broken, it just doesn't have enough people in it to run smoothly.  Capitalism depends on there being so many participants that things like price gouging and manipulation are impossible.  This is called the "efficient market theory."

PvP isn't supposed to generate income.  The theory that all jobs should produce income proportional to their risk is false.  PvP is fun, and you pay for that privilege.  I should make more mining than PvPing because mining is a job and PvPing is a game.  You don't get paid to go play paintball do you?  PvP-based characters should be able to generate income, but not through PvP.  Ratting should earn income, but I don't think it should be more than a miner or producer can make.

Regardless of what is right and fair (being paid for boredom not for risk), if ratting became worth more than mining, no one would mine.  Then your economy would be broken.

Надоело с вами спорить. Тем более на вашем языке.

Если хотите - сами переводите:
Количество игроков было достаточным. Было пока не начали закручивать гайки. Разработчики все сделали, что бы игроки ушли. Сейчас наблюдается значительный спад в онлайне, торговле и ПвП. Продолжайте в том же духе делать, говорить. Только не удивляйтесь, когда проект погибнет.

So...the market isn't broken, there's just too few people and 95% of them are in one of two alliances that number in the hundreds of players.  When there's 10,000 active subscriptions, you won' t be able to have microcosm economies in corps, and the global market will need to hold everything together.

So basically what I said

So...the market isn't broken, it's just not working at the moment.

I'm making a more literal point, as in the washing machine doesn't have enough working parts in it, so it is broken and needs to be repaired. Replacing the broken parts, i.e. getting more people, isn't something we have direct control over. Eventually we'll have more parts in stock, but in the mean time there has to be something we can do to make the economy more lively.

Saying the market isnt broken, its just missing playes is like saying blizzard is doing a poor job to jumpstart the economy on new servers.

They do it for a reason. And i'd say, they are quite successfull.