You're soo 2000 and late. Ewar lights being good is sooooo last month.

Get with the times.

You don't see heavy mechs in roams not because they aren't effective and wouldnt turn the tide of most fights... you don't see them because they are the wrong platform for a quick, agile, offensive roam.

Each mech have it's use, for roaming speed is king. However, to fix this and make mechs viable for roaming you'd have to make them as fast as lights... if you do this why roll around in anything other then a mech? Why train basic robotics past 4?

You're trying to push this game towards a single class just because 'it takes more ep'... that's great... it's a better weapon platform, it does more damage, has more hp, but it's not a jack of all trades, answer to every pvp scenario bot.

Well the whole point is:
If you want people to keep invested in the game in the long term, you have to have classes of bots that take a lot of time to train and are WORTH IT.

Right now you have classes of bots (everything that needs only basic robot control) that take little time to train and are worth it.
However, people will get bored of it and outgrow it simply because it takes so little time to train they run out of things to put EP in it.
Running out of new bots to train is death to continued interest in the game.

And you have classes of bots (everything advanced robot control and medium sized mods) that takes a lot of time to train and are not worth it.
People get disillusioned their time spent training it and huge expense involved results in bots that are seldom used at all in PVP.

Solution is make the classes of bots that takes a lot of time to train actually worth the training.
Then people subscribe long term to get good at those bots because it is worth it.
Player contentment is good, retention is good.
You have to make the long-train bots good or you will see people quit out of no compelling long-term combat EP goal.

Mechs and Heavy Mechs cost more to buy, much more EP to train and are useful in much much less PVP situations than light bots, EWAR lights and assault bots.
Speed can't hack it in most roaming, med weapons cannot hit half the bots around effectively.
Ergo, not worth it.
Clear enough?

DEVs need to make Mechs and Heavy Mechs more useful in roaming PVP.
Increase their speed.
Reduce weapon size of medium weapons so they can hit small bots better.
Add mechanisms or features that overcome their huge speed handicap.
Like jump jets, or transform to transport mode (where they can't use their weapons but can go faster).
Or the ability to stomp on smaller bots.

I guarantee this will draw people to play.
Everyone came to drive a badass mountain of steel to crush small stuff.
Most people just want big honking guns on big honking mechs to crush stuff.
Why are you in a mech game?  Not to pilot WALL-E.  You want GUNDAM.  You want OPTIMUS PRIME.  Bigass mechs that smash things.
If DEVs don't get the appeal of big mechs and are all about small metal spiders, they are completely not harnessing the appeal of the genre to grow the game.

Don't worry about the newbie little bot players who get crushed.
After they QQed a little, they will all want to get huge honking bots and then they crush the next newbies in little bots, who will then want to get into huge bots etc.
The cycle of life driving progress.

I guarantee it will create a barrier to entry that will deter people from playing when they see that they have to stay logged off for 2 months to be remotely competitive...

I also guarantee you that my guarantee is a more accurate guarantee then your guarantee.

Guarantee's are fun.

I won't derail a decent thread further. You want to talk about it hit me up in game

I really wish you would of stayed banned instead of trolling 24/7, seriously stay on topic you little twit.

No thx, no need for I win robots, all types must have their uses, lights assault and mechs. I agree that mechs' uses are somewhat limited and that needs to be changed but light robots should not go obsolete, diversity is good.

If they really wanted to have something train for just introduce the mk2 robots already. a bit more  hp,  +0.1 kmph speed etc, make them expensive in EP (mk2 lights and mk2 mechs would require a similar amount of EP, mechs still bit more..)
I really liked in EVE that all ship class was somewhat usefull in endgame, every ship was most efficient in its size range. 2-3 lightbots should be able to kill a mech, 1vs1 the mech will win as it should be.

I find it odd that this topic is posted hours after Axe lost a seth to a small group while it was pve'ing.  Let me toss out the scenario and see if you think this is unreasonable:  I'm scouting around on my troiar and I blip into radar range of a seth solo farming pve.  He should be able to see me as well, so I leave as nothing a solo ewar can do to a seth.

I gather a small group and we come back THIRTY minutes later to same spot with a waspish, cammy, ictus, prometheus and he is still there with his sequer loot bot.  We engage and destroy him, he doesn't even lock anyone until he is at 20% health but instead runs around in circles while demobbed.

Is this the type of gameplay we need to buff?  The seth should just roll over us because omg 4 players are able to kill one?

I disagree here, I think that if you use them in the right way, at the right time, then indeed they are being used in a good way. Taking your example, why would you buy a capital ship and expect to use it to rat with in 0.0? It makes money easier, but you get to be the laughing stock of your enemies when they catch you tackle you and kill you.

Also log-off trap? It's a viable tactic and when your light bot turns into a nice mech with blazing guns of furry you really use it well then ( REFERENCE: See domlaharm  recent ganks ).

Beyond territory control, this would be nice to do. Control points that are global across the globe would be nice, with good loot. So that smaller organizations could compete and grow into larger alliances which will shift the political paradigm.

Yup.

You sound upset?

My apologies good sir.

I will seriously stay on topic.

ITT: Norhoop complains because that's what the hoop does... complains... if it's not complaining about light ewars, it's complaining about mineral deposits, it's complaining about wanting heavy mechs to run 80kph so that the rest of the bot classes are only 'for the noobs' that don't have the EP to run in anything else.

So let me restate the topic -- Norhoop likes to complain.

Are you guys upset about something?

- We didn't want that outpost anyway

- Infestation blobbed us with even numbers

- Defenses are optional, especially if it's even odds.

Pick one.