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Then start moving out, pvp, destroy bots, capture stations and freaking do anything on betas and gammas. You do realise that no matter what the devs do, if you dont move your arse to beta, nothing is going to change?

Eating *** doesn't make it taste any better.

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62nd did fine on it's own.

They did fine until their Beta was in danger, which forced their hand to joining up with you.

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Since you've played quite a few MMOs with consiquence I'm sure you know what happens when something of extreeme value which can be taken away is added to the game. It encorages blobing to defend that value. Nature of human beeings I guess. I've seen it many times as I'm sure you've seen it as well. Do you think the game should go in that direction?
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Gammas already encourage blobbing. Do we really need the same for Betas?

// Agreed with Sparks, they should just leave 1 for 1 Gamma terminal.


You need to check your history.  62nd didn't join us.  62nd got pissed off when the wall changed happened and left.  Because they did not get reimbursed for it.

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Everything is working fine, but then people start to become bored and leave- story of Perpetuum apparently.


QFT

Also...

The only thing to drive war in this game is ... epeen? there nothing in the game that would tempt players are try to expand a real empire to control recuses so they can make lots of $$$. I mean i know this isnt the single issue missing from the High level meta of this game but its a factor.

But if you doubt that is true just look at EVEs history full of wars fought over controlling R64s & Tech. moons... up untill a few years ago.

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This is a hugely simplified version of what actually happened.  I am guessing this is when you started playing, not at the start.  Its half true.


I stated playing EVE in 2005 so not at the start but i do know that games history. What i said is simplified history but even so that aspect has still had a large impact on the game. Yes there are some other factors but the point is, Perpetuum has 1 factor really: Epeen thats it. Epi was a small driving force from time to time but ego has always been the main thing. tongue

Ville wrote:
Burial wrote:
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Then start moving out, pvp, destroy bots, capture stations and freaking do anything on betas and gammas. You do realise that no matter what the devs do, if you dont move your arse to beta, nothing is going to change?

Eating *** doesn't make it taste any better.

Ville wrote:

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62nd did fine on it's own.

They did fine until their Beta was in danger, which forced their hand to joining up with you.

Saha wrote:

Since you've played quite a few MMOs with consiquence I'm sure you know what happens when something of extreeme value which can be taken away is added to the game. It encorages blobing to defend that value. Nature of human beeings I guess. I've seen it many times as I'm sure you've seen it as well. Do you think the game should go in that direction?
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Gammas already encourage blobbing. Do we really need the same for Betas?

// Agreed with Sparks, they should just leave 1 for 1 Gamma terminal.


You need to check your history.  62nd didn't join us.  62nd got pissed off when the wall changed happened and left.  Because they did not get reimbursed for it.

NO Ville your wrong that version doesnt fit with Burials propaganda big_smile

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks tongue

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ? tongue
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Dude, whatever they call themselves nowadays.. big_smile

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I fail to understand how the hoarding of vet players has anything to do with station locking.  Are you trying to push an agenda?

Because people can not live on beta and attack you constantly without need to get more stuff. If you live on beta you don't have that luxury.

You can stage out of the open terminals on the beta 1s.  I still think you are being lazy and want to just be able to harass at your leisure with almost zero actual on-line play time.

This may be an alien concept to you but when I make a suggestion or post I'm not doing it for me or my corp but because I think it's best for the game to succeed. I'm one of the few people left in game that has seen what good looks like and would like to see it again. Don't be so partisan.

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Dude, whatever they call themselves nowadays.. big_smile

the player sect in 62nd is different then -77-.

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Because people can not live on beta and attack you constantly without need to get more stuff. If you live on beta you don't have that luxury.

You can stage out of the open terminals on the beta 1s.  I still think you are being lazy and want to just be able to harass at your leisure with almost zero actual on-line play time.

This may be an alien concept to you but when I make a suggestion or post I'm not doing it for me or my corp but because I think it's best for the game to succeed. I'm one of the few people left in game that has seen what good looks like and would like to see it again. Don't be so partisan.

Whether its for your corp or not is irrelevant. The problem still remains: countless harassing. Without any hard work.

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You're essentially complaining about PVP on a PVP island.

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You're essentially complaining about PVP on a PVP island.

Harassment =/= PVP

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Where's the line between PVP and harassment?

Is someone killing unguarded miners and haulers harassment? Is someone ganking a lone mission runner harassment?


If there's someone disrupting an operations either *** kill them or move. That's what Betas should be about not some bogus who-assembles-biggest fleet on SAP fights.

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Where's the line between PVP and harassment?

Is someone killing unguarded miners and haulers harassment? Is someone ganking a lone mission runner harassment?


If there's someone disrupting an operations either *** kill them or move. That's what Betas should be about not some bogus who-assembles-biggest fleet on SAP fights.

Harrasment is when 1) no matter what you do, your scarabs get popped the moment you undock from a beta
2) your stupid terminal and gate (teleport) games.

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So, no, disrupting operations isnt harassment, but misusing the game system to cause grief, thats harassment.

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Unescorted and unscouted Scarabs are made to die, it is known.

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Even escorted die, if they undock into enemy territory (which would be every terminal if locks are lifted).

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use lithuses then.

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use lithuses then.

So you would go as far as to force players to use lithuses as a game mechanic to force the stations to unlock, because you're too lazy to assault nse and ethos's greens?

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And even scarabs are small when it comes to their cargo, lithuses are just stupid in terms of cargo they can carry.

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use lithuses then.

So you would go as far as to force players to use lithuses as a game mechanic to force the stations to unlock, because you're too lazy to assault nse and ethos's greens?

Jesus your dumb. Its not about two alliances you ***. It's about creating an environment where six or seven entities can be none aligned and live.

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Jita wrote:
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use lithuses then.

So you would go as far as to force players to use lithuses as a game mechanic to force the stations to unlock, because you're too lazy to assault nse and ethos's greens?

Jesus your dumb. Its not about two alliances you ***. It's about creating an environment where six or seven entities can be none aligned and live.

And where entities like your alliance cant harass the s h i t out of everyone.

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This helplessness here is the result of your corporation growing up with such a low population.

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This helplessness here is the result of your corporation growing up with such a low population.

Nope, its the result of you abusing the game mechanics.

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And lets not forget, jita has trillions. So in that aspect, its sad really that you have to hide behind game mechanics and not just go out in a gank with a couple people where you either win or lose. If this game had more pvp and if joke and the rest of the guys actually went after the saps, then old players might be coming back and newbies wouldnt be like "hey, general chat has 20 people, this game is empty".

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With all due respect, nothing on any PVP island should be considered to have safe passage.
Sometimes if you get caught hauling, you are going to get popped.  Loss, of indy or combat bots, is part of open pvp.  When I was mining, I mined in a termis, because I knew the consequence of just being on a beta island.  Perhaps the low population has granted the illusion of safety.  The inevitable 'gank' is part of the game.
Other games have these same mechanics, they allow for TP camping (gate camping) terminal camping (station camping), all valid and if not fair forms of PVP.  Notably, this is to disrupt logistics.
But that's the whole point, attackers should be allowed to choke logi chains, hold down key locations to prevent the defenders from continuing about their daily business.  This disruption should be met by a defensive fleet to open up the logi again.  This forces one to engage in PVP, because it prevents you from doing anything else until the threat is removed.

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And lets not forget, jita has trillions. So in that aspect, its sad really that you have to hide behind game mechanics and not just go out in a gank with a couple people where you either win or lose. If this game had more pvp and if joke and the rest of the guys actually went after the saps, then old players might be coming back and newbies wouldnt be like "hey, general chat has 20 people, this game is empty".

There's nobody to fight because nobody lives on beta. You want that to continue. That's why your an idiot.

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Illiathos wrote:
Burial wrote:

Where's the line between PVP and harassment?

Is someone killing unguarded miners and haulers harassment? Is someone ganking a lone mission runner harassment?


If there's someone disrupting an operations either *** kill them or move. That's what Betas should be about not some bogus who-assembles-biggest fleet on SAP fights.

Harrasment is when 1) no matter what you do, your scarabs get popped the moment you undock from a beta
2) your stupid terminal and gate (teleport) games.

Such tears.

Such tears.

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Perpetuum wrote:
Illiathos wrote:
Burial wrote:

Where's the line between PVP and harassment?

Is someone killing unguarded miners and haulers harassment? Is someone ganking a lone mission runner harassment?


If there's someone disrupting an operations either *** kill them or move. That's what Betas should be about not some bogus who-assembles-biggest fleet on SAP fights.

Harrasment is when 1) no matter what you do, your scarabs get popped the moment you undock from a beta
2) your stupid terminal and gate (teleport) games.

Such tears.

Such tears.

ikr. I don't even remember hotdropping NSE at all tbh. I don't think Joke ever fought NSE, we were gone before you came along. Where does this butthurt come from?

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