If someone with 20% refining creates alot of commodities now, and you return 100% effciency, won't we have created alot of raw materials of thin air?

His name is Arga and my 20% is Trail04 ;D

Maybe I had this backward:

If I make titanium, and need 24 titan ore, but someone else makes it and needed 30 titan ore, but 100% effciency returns 28 ore, then I'll have 4 extra titan ore per commodity after the conversion.

Or, if you mean 100% as 'best possible' effciency, then eveyone will Lose a significant amount of ore in the process.

I doubt there's a good solution. One way we can game the change to get alot of ore back (if we have good eff rating), or we stand to lose alot of ore.

(titan is just an example, as a pure commoditity, you probably won't have to convert it).

Brilliant, just brilliant.  You realize that production for everyone will get shut down for the first few weeks, not to mention the amount of material that will now have to be moved again to refine again?!?!?!?!?  Some of us have spent moinths and months working our *** off to have the commodities to manufacture at need, and that is all going to get wiped out and have to be re-refined to the new material specs?!?!?!?!?  And what about materials gotten from recycling modules from NPC drops?

Most of us who produce have stockpiles that existed long before the test server went live, and all that work of moving and refining and moving again, will have to be done all over again.

B***S*** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's the issue with converting them back to raw materials using the new industry changes? at least we can refine it back, because we will obviously need different raw materials post patch.

how much hydrobenol did you already refine after reading the first indu2.0 blog?

the refining tables got massively changed - and the worth of raws will probably change with the patch. recycling them with the pre-patch tables is more logical

Maxed out, so you won't lose out.

So to make it clear, We will all get 30 titan ore for every 1 titanium, correct?

We happen to have 500m titan ore, if we convert it to titanium @ 24, we'll get 625m titan ore back @30 after the conversion. (actually, I think we have 543m, but its close enough). I haven't looked at the market, but 125m titan ore should be about an extra 68m NIC of value.

So, if you really have been stockpiling commodities from a beta III refinery, you're going to be very happy after the patch. Even with the extra time you'll spend re-refining it.

That's OK. It's still 125m more ore than if we didn't game the conversion

Edit: That makes it easier to transport commodities instead of raw mats, which is good, and could make trading in those goods better then raw mats.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the price of titan ore depends on how rare it is/how easy it is to gather (of course it also depends on demand etc). It's the price of titanium that should go up in theory since it needs more ore to refine.

There's so many factors in the new ore prices, it's too hard to predict.

Will corps with 500m titan ore (625 acutally) choose to move that ore or just put it up for sale, now that Titan will again be available on beta and gamma?

Will the roaming ore fields effect large scale alpha mining ops?

With producers like Lucius moving off Telesis (Just an example of the high volume producers that will be moving off alpha), who's going to put up buy orders?

If I had to guess, I would predict that market prejudice will keep the ores about the same price; that is players are familiar with spending and buying at a certain rate, regardless of external forces.

For other, more volitle resources, like Epitron - well, its volitile