Dazamin wrote:

Ville wrote:

So once a vast majority of the community whines enough on the forums and forms a petition only then will a Judgement be made?

By the vast majority, do you mean you and Lemon?

I'd say that statement is pretty clear, reads to me like "This is a grey area and we will make decisions on a case by case basis" Which tbh is probably the only way to go on an issue like this (Beyond extreme cases).

Oh Dazamin, want me to pastebin you the nex signature on the petition that was sent to the devs to ban account sharing?  Pretty Sure you were one of the poor saps on the signature post, but I might have to check again considering I get a good ol knee slapping laugh everytime I read it.

The issue was when we engaged you last night we noticed similar actions with three symbiont pilots: Invisbile Pink Unicorn, Einherjar, and Flying Spaghetti Monster.  I undocked Ville from Danachov, put him in free flying camera mode and cut on fraps and moved him closer were I could see movements of these three characters.  While frapsing we decided to move multiple primarys to confirm our suspicions.  When we moved between Inda, Whys, Saramara, and Skullcrusher.  Each time the symbionts moved primarys together and collectively RR at identical times. 

Then reviewed this in fraps and moved it to a movie editter and time elapsed this and it was under .5 second reaction time between all three clients with RRs.  I tried reenacting this same thing under two different options:
different players piloting 3 RRs and multiboxxing RRs.  Tried it under different conditions too, but with client Lag and even with multiple monitors (which I run) the best I could get it with this morning was 3 seconds.

So once again, because I have a ticket in, I am to assume that this kind of thing is acceptable in pvp until the community gets tired of it and does a rant off on the forums?

Because I am either going to Use it if its a grey area, or if the devs say no go then I am not going to use it and continue submitted data that I gather.

You all do realize it is against the EULA and Forum rules to discuss Moderation....

I think a forum ban might improve my quality of life

DEV Zoom wrote:

I'm not perfectly familiar with it, but if it's only for controlling multiple clients at the same time and is not used for automation/macroing then it's not against the EULA.

However we cannot take any liability or provide support for issues you get when using it. Even running two clients at the same time is not officially supported currently, so if you crash and die due to this we can't help you.

^^^ This.

Now, everyone currently posting here runs multiple accounts, myself included.  And most of the server as well.  Anyone can have as many accounts as they want.  But i will say this, the more things you have to manage, be aware of, and control at one time, the less effective anyone is going to become.  Best to focus on a single toon at a time and control it with 100% of your attention on it.

When I run both my accounts ( I have only 2), most will laugh at how I do it.  A desktop and a laptop, 2 seperate keyboards, 2 seperate mice.  But I can see both screens at the same time.  When I am in a battle, and I have my alt running remote rep and energy transfer on autofollow, it's nothing but a pain in the rear, alt gets stuck on plants or terrain, I'm trying to maneuver the main to get los on targets and get in range, and I have to constantly look at the other screen to make sure the alt is still following or has line of sight.  And when both are getting attacked, now it's 2 toons at the same time that have to be moved and controlled.  Which makes you less effective in either role, and tbh, 99 times out of 100, I don't even bother with the alt, it's just not worth it.

Now Lupus, you know as well as I know that the subject we are discussing has nothing to do with the "normal" type off multiboxing that most "normal" people do.

And, IMHO, I personally do not think using 3rd party software should be allowed.  The idea of 1 person controlling 5 heavy mech accounts at the same time with single keystrokes and mouse to my mind is an abomination, it creates a super mech able to primary a single target to ash.  Running multiple accounts at the same time manually doing different things, I see no issue with, because you never will be as effective across multiple manually controlled accounts as you would focused on one.

Ville wrote:

As I already told a member of your alliance, I have submited data to the specific people.  If they choose to act on it thats fine, but as I learned in the Account Sharing fiasco anything you say to a GM or Dev or submit as data, if relay to the public is grounds for moderation.  I play by the rules and intend on keeping it that way.

Actually, you haven't.  Discussing moderation violates the EULA, and yet:

1) you actually informed everyone, via this thread, that you have submitted a petition about this to the DEVs

2) you stated in this thread the general details of that.

3) you publicly stated who you thought was doing it and what you thought they were doing.

In other words, you have publicly accused an individual and/or group, nameing those toons and corp, here in this very thread, then hide behind the above quote.  And the DEVs, you have now put them, by their own policy of not discussing moderation or petitions, in the position of being the only ones who can catagorically confirm or disprove those allergations, but unable to publish their results publically.

So you get away with making a public accusation, and when found not to be factual, those results cannot be discussed or published.

Since this has been the case, and since the details have already been publicly discussed by you, I submitt to the DEVs that a public answer should be made.

Regardless, I would love to be a fly on the wall when you do get your answer, just to see your face when they inform you that what I stated about those toons not having reps, but only energy transfers, is true.