Um. Is it just me, or is anyone else going to not make any T1 epi based items for the next month? Probably an option for independant producers, but not so much for pvp corps.

The side effect of this will of course be that recycling will also no longer give you any espitium. For indy players that have put EP into this, can we have a refund?

My account is over 30 days, and what if your high-value recycling skill is over 6.

It's not a whine, nor is it a 'small' amount of EP involved with a complexity 4 extension. The volume of T2 and above items being recycled would in no way justify 20,000 EP for level 7 High-grade refining.

And, like I said, PVP/beta corps won't really have the option of not producing, but your also not producing for the market and have your own supply of epitron in any case.

Edit: But I do approve of the T1 change to this as well as the CT change. As well as the relation change of course.

They mentioned they will give an opportunity to use some kind of respec at first time, no? So everyone will be able to fix some skills if you still want to.

The changes are great in all honesty.
For the time being don't make any T1 modules as it's not worth it when you can farm them anyway. Removing Epriton from T1 items will also remove them from the recycling making T2 items MUCH harder to produce so I would suggest adding a tiny amount of Epriton based materials to mass recycling or adding it to some form of activity to enable SMALL scale T2+ production.

Actually looking at the prevous posts, it does look like I'm whining. Sometimes I forget that its a big game with lots of moving parts.

So, a little back ground on how recycling works.

There are (2) recycling skills; Basic and High-Grade.

The basic recycling skills increases the % of commodities that are recovered, while high-grade only effects Espitium, Alligior, and Briochet.

Recycling has an fixed limit to the amount that can be recovered, and your reputation and extensions increase that amount. There's another thread that talks about the specifics, but that % is fairly small for high-grade commodities.

For instance, typically you'll only get 1 or 2 units of espitium when recycling a single item. The extension provides 1% more per level, which is always just a fraction of a unit. What this means is that you really don't see a benefit from recycling extensions until you do it in Mass, as Alexander pointed out. That is you may only get  .3 more units for 1 level of EP.

When this starts making sense is if you are going to recycle 1000 modules, that .3 now becomes 300 additional units. The drop rate on tiered items is so low, that it's just not practical to save up even 10 modules to recycle, for the additional 3 units high grade material.

I'm not really all the concerned about getting EP back per se, just that this is a fairly large change in the return on investment. If the extension was changed, so that high-grade extension applied a larger bonus to T2 and above items, then that would be acceptable.

That is, maybe it increases the amount recovered by 5% each level instead of 1%. So that it's more attractive to recycle T2 in the lower volumes that they drop at.

I'm ok with removing high-grade recycling entirely, that solves the EP problem just as tidely.

If advanced item CT's don't start at 50%, is it still going to only be the decoder's that effect it, just to a greater degree? Or will reverse engineering get an extension that boosts the %?