Dumbest idea I have ever heard

Because you don't think it's something Corps. can agree to or because you think the "violators" will overwhelm the "obeyers"?

...Or because you see no benefit in it to the game or the players?

Well, as much as I'd like to do that...and more...I had a hope that we, being a much smaller and closer-knit community with a mutual self-interest in seeing the game expand, might mostly, if not completely, find it in our self-interest to temporarily agree to a few "rules" that would make the game more enjoyable for more players.

Obviously, it would be pointless to suggest something akin to this in a game like WoW or EVE (up to a few weeks ago anyway) where players know they have zero impact on the game and the Devs won't even talk to them because the income stream is assured.

PO is different, however, in that we can actually have an impact on it's future...either negative or positive. My rather optimistic proposal is based on the belief that, understanding the unique power players, and especially Corps. currently have in the fledgling PO, they might opt to modify the behavior they'd pursue in an established, deaf-to-them game in order to create a better environment for PO to grow in.

I think this proposal leaves plenty of room for individual players to continue to be self-aggrandizing *** in-game and on the forums-either as their main or as a phantom alt-but allows both them and the rest of the player base to have more fun and provide a useful focus for everyone's aggression.

Well...I'm not asking them to agree to forfeit it everywhere, just on one island and until the Dev's get a chance to implement things like build-able defensive structures on beta islands,  making Beta island ownership more meaningful, hand-building more islands, and basically adding more or everything.

Plus...Generally speaking, those with higher level bots also have higher level skills so they aren't really disadvantaged by going to this one island in a smaller ship...not to mention that older Corps. likely have more players to show up with.

It's been pointed out in numerous other threads that roaming on Beta islands currently can be largely unrewarding because either there is no one there to fight or there is way too much to fight. I'm not saying this is bad per se but it's limiting the games potential for a lot of newly arrived players.

Sure...PO is a lot like EVE...except that it isn't EVE and hasn't a sub-atomic particle of the same number of subscriptions. If ALL players (and Corps.) insist on the same "rights" to ALWAYS be Uber, epeen-focused and dominant NOW, as they were in EVE, than PO is likely doomed and at least relegated to a really, really slow growth curve.

I'll say it again...the players (especially the Corp. leaders!) actually have an opportunity in PO to assist and shape it's growth. Wanna do it or would you (collectively, not personally Hugh Jasol (hahahah) rather just be the same unsatisfied ex-player you already are in so many other games?

We aren't the jackasses in Israel, Palestine, Libya, Pakistan or the US Congress or where ever unless we choose to be. People are actually capable of compromise when it is democratically perceived to be mutually beneficial.

While we are at it why dont we just say use t1.

Why dont we say even numbers only

why dont we drop a fridge on some folks heads so they dont have better knowledge or experience

why dont we go play wow

They could make 3 islands with teleport restrictions (1 small only, 1 medium only and 1 large only) and 3 teleports leading in from the main alpha islands. In the middle of the island is a capturable marker or something. When captured a clock starts ticking. A ranking on the main page shows the current holder and time held and the top 10 corps with overall time held.

Holding the marker gives no ingame benefit, just bragging rights. This could evolve into 3 way combat tournaments etc.

Another way to get more pvp is to go the way anarchy online did it in notumwars. Corps can have fields with towers that give ingame advantages in certain places. These towers can be attacked even when placed on alpha. Attacking the towers will flag you for pvp for 1 hour and will allert the corp that their towers are under attack.

Why don't we, the players, come up with some short-term solutions to making the game more fun for more people NOW before we just piss all over it and destroy the game before it even gets a chance?

PO is not WoW, it's not EVE and, although a Sequer looks kinda like a fridge, I've seen no extension that will allow me to lift it in order to drop one on another player.

If this gets any traction, I look forward to meeting you alone in your mech against the majority of players who would like an intermediate place to gain some skills and have some fun. We will have an *** set aside just for you.

There is no room for wow-arena limits in a sandbox game. Fit what you want, how you want, and your stockpile will be the judge of how well you designed your fits.

Proposal refused.

Ya know Syndic, I don't, ultimately, disagree with your comment. It's just that we don't really have a "sandbox" yet. We only have a small handful of sand and a great big empty box.

CIR has gone out of it's way to offer materials to new Corps. in order to get them started in the game. My proposal simply asks that you and some of the other Corps. leaders give them a little "space" as well.

Before, completely writing off this proposal, I'd ask that you please consult your Corps. members and see if they see any merit at all in assisting in the creation of at least some space where all players can get more PVP under their belt without being out-classed, out-gunned and out-experienced by the oldest players in the game. I think a lot of folks felt this sort of hurdle was one of the obstructions to EVE having an even greater population than it did at it's peak.

Regardless, I'm not proposing a new, fixed game mechanic, although others have, but rather a temporary agreement among the power brokers within PO to see if we, the players, can help with retention while the game grows.

I'm certainly not demanding, or even asking, that this assault-or-smaller island be one which CIR currently controls.

Hmmm, let me explain my POV a bit better.

It is practically impossible to enforce an light/assault ONLY policy on specific islands. It would be an unmanageable nightmare of epic proportions, because there is always that 1 corporation that will go "trololo" and drop Mechs on the field. You can get 99% of the server corps to agree to it, and all you need is 1% to *** everything up.

As a personal opinion, I am very much against artificial limitations and boundaries in sandbox games. I definitely agree new corps should be given breathing room, as I don't see any point in chasing someone with 20k EP in a full T4 light-bot with the light-skills in the 8-10's and then portraying it as a good fight. What some of the established corps are doing out there - actively seeking out new players with these high-skilled light/assault accounts - is downright disgusting and essentially kill-farming.

I'd love to go out of my way to help new corps get set up, but so far none of them have expressed any interest. Consider what is written in this thread:

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … of-intent/

Currently at the time of writing, we are in posession of outposts on two Beta islands; we own outposts on Domhalarn Beta Island where we lived, and now we own outposts on Novastrov Beta Island.

Since we are not interested in holding outposts outside of our island, if there are any alliances or corporations interested in taking over those outposts and actively live on Domhalarn, please let us know and we will assist you in taking them over.

It needs to be said that this is a ONE-TIME AGREEMENT. If we help you take the outposts, that does not mean you are allied with us, owe us allegiance, or tied in any relation with us. We will happily accept a cease-fire for the duration of the intrusion periods, but after that we will actively roam your island like all others.

To put it simply, we will help you get on your feet. After that you're on your own.

Essentially, CIR has had a standing offer to give away Beta outposts and assist with advice & defense positioning to help new corps get set-up since May, with NOTHING asked in return for it. 2 months since, all the new corps that came into the game are still trudging along on Alpha in circles.

The best thing any new corporation coming into the game can do at this point, is not give in and join any established alliance, powerblock or NAP. Go out and blaze your own trail! Getting involved in grudges that have been going on since release, or even since closed Beta for a few surviving corps, is a recipe for disaster. You'll end up fighting someone who has 9 months of EP & Experience & Resources behind them, and you will ultimately lose regardless of how skilled you might be as a player/FC/corp.

I'd really like someone to explain to us (as in, NeX) what everyone else is thinking of our existence, and not just because I want people to talk about us.

First, we are not the only new corporation of people who arrived and formed up in that week of June.  We were simply the only one who threw open our doors wide to anyone and everyone.  When the Eve channel was flooding with new signups everyone asked sort of the same question - "Any EVE only corps?"  NeX was just the first commented name, and so we collected people, in droves.

There was no ulterior motive, save perhaps the datacollecting idea of 'so, how many ofus are actually subbing up?'.  Imagine a group of refugees (New Eden Exiles, durr) and that was basically the viewpoint when we clicked the accept button however-many times a day it took to reach 625.  We took in a horde of total strangers far faster than anyone would have acclimated to one another.

We took in people who subbed, decided they didn't like it, and have gone idle.

We took in people who subbed, read a certain press release, and have gone idle.

I find it amusing that people are so focused on us, when other new corporations 1/5-1/8th of our size could easily be just as formidable if not mroe so, primarily because they *do* know eachother, they are used to working together, their personality differences were already settled before this, they're in it 100% for the long haul... when I can not with any confidence give that kind of percentage - or even close, to NeX's roster.

We're a big dot on the infograph, and we're chatty.

There are other folks though that I'd be keeping an eye on far more than us.

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The base premise is flawed, being that small bots can't compete against mechs. 62nd has shown this is not true.

Although it seems 62nd is not actively holding small bot arena's anymore, this is the kind of experience your trying to create Island wide. Other then an alterier motive of wanting to take and hold the outposts on that island with only light bots, an alpha tournament would accomplish the same type of combat that your looking for, and require much less than server wide acceptance.

I also don't really see the direct connection between this and the topic of PVP Economy, unless your saying that light bots cost less, so are cheaper to replace?