I agree I shouldnt have to grind transport missions for hours upon hours just to be competitive in industry.

combat toons dont have to grind relations to be better at combat

miners dont have to grind relations to be better at mining.

etc..

this will also help stabilize prices as well.

Yes, why reward effort with bonuses, such a silly concept.

Arga - I actually thought of something similar myself, and I think that's a quite good solution. However, the relation relation in factory should only depend on the standing with these 'manufacturing' corporations, and not all the other ones.

Rodger Wilcoe - I am not against reward for effort. But, I do want the effort to be related to my activity. As above I'm perfectly fine with what Arga suggested, because it required me to use manufacturing to get better at it, and not do something completely unrelated.

To clarify, I am NOT against the idea of becoming better at manufacturing for spending effort  towards it, but this gain should indeed come from practising your profession (here manufacture/refining) not from some arbitrary activity for days on end.

The grind to  level 1 assignments? Maybe you just phrased that badly, but that gives me the impression you know little of it. The grind of getting a high rep (40-50% relation ratio) is probably weeks on ingame time continuously running extremely repetitive missions, and is no way comparable to the 30min-1h it takes to get level 1 missions. I choose to be a manufacturer because I want to produce stuff, not because I wanted to spend every singly evening running tedious missions over and over again.

This game already has many long and hard grinds, this one is just superfluous. Also, I know of several people who has been interested in manufacturing, but decided not too as the grind it too long and boring (and they're too compulsive to let themselves give it a try with low relation).

Chaining courier missions in a Sequer (industrial bot) is already far more rewarding, in both standings and nic, than any combat mission. It's still a grind, but saying that combat characters has it better is just disingenuous.

Two points;
1. What does courier missions really have to do with a manufacturer?
2. To obtain high relation ratio you must have high standing within all corporations of that faction, that includes ALL combat, industrial and other corporations. Hence, manufacturers are subject to both grinds. (relation ratio is based on average standing with each corp, so only running the transport missions won't get you that far)

Yes I'll happily admit that I am rather new and only basing my opinion from my current experience. However, from what I see there is a big difference between the Industry and Combat assignments as far as remuneration goes. I haven't done Logistics myself but I hear that is somewhat unbalanced.

I personally wasn't implying that combat characters have it "better" at all, only that the assignment rewards are bigger "in the hand" from what I've seen while Industrial assignment really reward you later.

If you could buy relation, I wouldn't be playing the game. I'm sure you were just being sarcastic.

see it the other way round: relation will improove your production while you are still waiting for your extensions to raise.

and really, the only "relation" bonus that has an impact on production is the refining one.

current maximum bonus you get on Material efficiency for the actual production is... 6%
its soooo gamebreaking for those who wont go on missions!

Rodger -  did you see that I mentioned that a production guy has to get the standing up for both combat and industrial missions?

Annihilator/hunter - both of you are just screaming 'I have high relation, don't change it!'.

Annihilator - 6% on production, added with max bonus of 15% on refining, I'm not sure how this could be seen as trivial.

Once again, I don't want to make relation useless in any sense, but the bonuses should be related to what you do. Hence it would make more sense than a combat guy gets bonuses from doing combat missions, and the manufacturer gets bonus from manufacturing.

Further, why are you against the idea of manufacturing missions affecting it instead? It would still require a grind (which could be made long, if you want). The main thing I have expressed dislike for is that one has to raise standings with all corporations of a faction, and hence do a lot of very unrelated missions.

Also note I included Arga's suggestion now, I think it would be a very good middle-ground.

Combat missions are a lot more effective, standings-wise, than hauling by far.
Where hauling nets you 0.01% to 0.03% at best, a single combat mission can bring in 0.05% or better.

Granted, the L1 grind loop is far, FAR too easy, but the L2 grind is absolutely mind numbingly counter-productive.  With the L1 loop you can run seven missions simultaneously, but L2 has 1 mission per outpost to any given location, usually another far flung distant outpost, and the standings gains are exactly the same... 0.03%, with the same crop of ammunition you get with the L1 loop.

Lower the number of missions on the L1 loop, increase the number of outpost transport missions, and let the industrials gain their standing without going absolutely insane.

actually, the high standings that i have grinded HELPS me to have even a chance on the market - because im an alpha dweller and got ZERO access to a rank 3 refinery.

and the "high" standings i have are a bit below what you can archieve as maximum on alpha island (40% and 30%). without those, i could just reset my production guy and do something else with those EP in production, as i don't want to move out to an beta outpost.

and really, the "grinding" part is bullshit alltogether. you can get your standings that high within a reasonable time with a reasonable effort - and after all as byproduct of your hauling between the outposts.

and "production missions" are a half assed idea too - it means your mining, producing and selling stuff to npcs - not for the playermarket. That will end with high-extension player to buy mats cheap from market, and selling it to npcs for profit + standings. you could simply ask to introduce npc buy orders that give you standing and nic...