Each Island only supports 1 type of POS, so if you want to set up a mining POS you have to use X island, but if you want a harvesting POS you have to use Y island; for example. This in adidtion to, as you say, the island only  supports a limited number of pos's.

But, the power situation should be more, 1 unit gets 100% of the power and operates at 100%, a second unit is added, each operates at 50%, providing only 50% of the bonus, and so on, down to 100 units each at 1% effciency.

So, as the island owner, you're going to only install one, and be very picky about making sure a second one isn't implemented, be friend or foe. But if you share the island, and already have 3 or 4 units, you won't mind so much if a 5th one is installed.

Also, as I mentioned before with POS, they either have to be cheap and replacable like incubator, or difficult to kill. One idea I had was that they can be shielded, which makes them very difficult to destroy, but they can't operate with the sheild up, meaning when you are using the POS you have to guard it.

The power drain is the same, regardless of it is operating or not.

The only trouble I see with this, is it's not a very great motivator, since it just provides more of the same, which is more minerals. If you already don't need them, your not going to be keen to have this.

I almost hate to mention it, but it could be that epi is only minable with a POS on any island that has a POS installed. So if you own the epi POS, only you can mine epi on the island; if you destroy the POS, you can mine and you get a lot of epi from the wreakage.

I posted this in agra's thread before I read this one, and in the sake of consolidation, I will repost it here:

See, this is what I have a problem with, and you just spew more m2s propaganda. There's something for being very coordinated, and having all the right keys to give you that edge. But that isn't nor should it be the entire game. This is where I have to say again, that's m2s's game. That's the way they want to play it. I don't agree with that, and there's plenty of other people who agree with me.

The more hardcore this game becomes, the less number of people will join. We don't need anymore incentive to fight then to fight. That's what a sandbox is in my opinion. The players decide who and where and, more importantly, WHY they want to fight. Personally, when I played that other sci-fi mmo, most of my time was spent shooting POS's, and it was horribly boring. The other half was looking at a black screen hoping I'd load the grid and not just wake up in station 150m the poorer.

The game needs to support other styles of play better. I don't pretend to have all the awnsers on HOW to make that happen, but some guys play this for the potential they see. They play because they want to hang out with other people that they think alike with. Some people want to log in and mine a few hundred U's of ore while shooting the *** on TS. Others log in to roam around and find fights.

Lets face it, stuff is easier to get then it used to be, but there's still a terribly lot of time spent moving about. That's not nessicarily a bad thing, as some people enjoy moving things about. Everyone has said the game needs more people. I don't know either how to get more people to join and stay, but the game needs to be opened up on the alpha islands more first. More and better pve. Remove ew from non-ew npcs, as it's just annoying. Make it to where a single person can log on, mine the things they need for themselves, or pve enough to be able to buy the things on the market, and make it a bit easier for them.

PvE is a new players initiation to the game. Many new players want to take their time and feel the game out before they decide to join a corp. Perpetuum makes it very hard on new people with low ep to play past 2 weeks/a month before they get bored of the pve. Some decide to quit, some decide to join a corp. If Perpetuum were to keep the ones that didn't want to join a corp within the first month, I would think the player boost would be fairly large.

And while we're at it, lets do away with interference. m2s has made a huge amount of stink about limiting how many people can join an op. I also don't agree with that. The only limit on how many people you should be able to bring to a fight should be server limitations... i.e "if more of them get into the fight, it's gonna crash and take all the gerbils out!!"

Look at the old Q&A from Beta. m2s asks, what are you going to do to combat "the blob", and the DEVs bend over backward to assure m2s that they're going to keep combat small. I can't say that I really blame the DEVs, m2s was a dominate force in the game for 2 years now. I hope to educate the devs on what I belive to be their folly, and ask them to review what it is they really want out of Perpetuum, or do they just want to keep making a game for m2s.

Here's the link to the Q&A for you lazy forum dwellers, it's a good read. http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … -20101114/

Sorry Gremrod, that's was in response to what agra posted in the other thread... maybe I should have edited it.

But, to awnser your question... Yes, I do think so. We may lose more vets over it, and I would bet the lions share would be from m2s. But, on the same token, we'd get fresh new players joining the game, and staying with the game. Some people like FOOM who want to make a splash in their own right. Right now we have 6 empty beta islands, and 6 slightly less empty alpha islands. If there were 10x's the numbers on alpha, I'd expect to have many of them spilling off into the betas... which creates whole new dynamics and interactions. All without the devs holding a proverbial carrot on a stick to get people to go (which may not be a carrot at all, but a huge turd to some people).

I'm not derailing. You asked for ideas, and your statement is that we NEED something to fight for. As I don't agree, I think that my post was entirely relevant to the discussion. I'm sorry that it's not what you wanted to hear but as I'm not convinced that your idea is something that would benefit the game, I felt the need to open up the possibility that it isn't.

That's just 2 threads i didn't read it in than, but as i've always been a huge proponent of PVS content, i don't disagree with the game needing more, however I do think the issue of getting something onto the beta islands is needed sooner then more missions.

Free-roam PVP, as far as I can tell isn't enough. Although as I said, I'm skeptical that POS is going to do it either, even outposts. The trouble being it seems like it has to provide some additional benefit to be desireable, which currently means that any corp capable of gaining this advantage, will do so, and futher their lead in the game. Making it even harder to 'topple the king'.

About the only thing I can think of, are gamma Islands; three islands only reachable from a remote beta-II teleport, where player stations can be built, that have only epitron on them. These islands aren't won through intrusion, you have to build your POS on it, and then defend it, but it's not a destructable POS, if you destroy 8 CPU panels around the complex, then you can dock and install your own CPU's, then the station and its defenses are yours. once destroyed, you can't replace a CPU until they are all destroyed.

When new players realize theres no end game... wouldn't that make them leave?

POS's are that end game and they are the answer to the industrialists need to build something big and shiney and the pvp'ers will have something to fight over.

Disagree completely.

The game needs more PVE features, more fluff features that will give players something to do on their own and in their own time. At the moment the choice is grind plazma, grind ore, or look for artifacts. Thats a very poor choice - and its already showing that its not keeping people in-game. What numbers came back after the expansion, have mostly left again.

POS only caters to the existing players who are involved in the game. Lets face it, to a new player Perpetuum is just plain BORING.

Whats the point of doing all that stuff if there's nothing for them to build towards? Theirs got to be a light at the end of a tunnel... no matter what 'fluff' you add it's going to be considered a 'grind' but we need to answer is the 'what am i grinding for' question.

Heavies are relatively easily attainable and after that there's nothing new and shiney to build or own.

Greetings all,

My ideas ....

Remove all the Intrusion stuff thats is currently happening on the NPC Outposts, no more owning NPC Outposts.

Add in player build structures;

Which include but are not limited to the following ideas -

Outposts - Having all L3 options

Shield Generators - Protection of the outpost & buildings | Oh yah the bubbles are here

Defense Towers, Offensive Towers, Interference Towers

Signal Detector Towers, Signal Masking Towers

Solar Energy Collectors, other types of energy collectors 

Mining Collector Units - IE Placeables on mining grids

Factory Buildings - more automation options

Storage Buildings

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Also Terra Forming options, Ive seen this stuff during the End Of beta Event - This can be the Minecraft option for PO ...

All this stuff .. on brand new islands that are somewhat connected to the other ones  -

And to bring in the new & other players who maybe not want to do this sort of stuff

Convert the PLASMA Drops from NPCs as Fuel to power the buildings.

Regards

PVP has no benefit because outposts are crap.
Intrusions are not needed any more I have to agree.
PVE content is lacking hugely still.
PVP content is there but there isn't any reason to use it.

Make pos's provide energy to exchange for kernels.
By getting kernels faster newer corps get their tech lines finished.
Make pos's provide more noralgis = more mark 2 robots.

EVE did moons, and that really turned out to be who got the right top 3 mineral moons was the richest.

As a side note, not to derail:
More fun stuff on alpha so we attract more players is a good idea, give players more to do and have fun with so that we get a healthy pool of people to pull from.

Another potentially insightful and well thought out post tainted with sour grapes and tin foil hats.