What is there to discuss here?

Basically, PvP should have an equivalent reward? If so, I expect kill mails or similar will be satisfactory.

Quote myself from other topic

To answer your question Enduser - one of the problems is, that farming the AI robots needs a completely different equipment then fighting in PvP.

for example, NPC dont use active hardeners, they also dont have any extension bonus, neuts/draining doesnt work against AI and the average low speed and combat range of AI makes it easy to farm them.

That gives the attacker nearly always the advantage in PvP.

another major point that you can see on Perpetuum is - the active PvP nerds are nearly all in the same corp or alliance, not fighting against each others but bashing on the non-PvP player and asking the DEVs to implement more options to "force" everyone into PvP.

no risk no reward - if you collect all the best PvP players in one corp, your reward is that you wont have any opponent to your liking.

(sidenote: if your main goal in the game, is to destroy others fun in the game, thats also not beneficial)

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they would still be called "Beta islands" because they are named after the "Beta Terminals".

you could say an MMO has 'PvP content'  of which PO has a great deal of and I assume the intention is to discuss the balance between pve and pvp content.

In fact, any Pve content currently implemented into PO eventually pushes you to the beta islands in order to progress (e.g. higher level missions) this means that, even if your a Pve player, you must still learn the rules of PvP in order to survive on the beta island.

Personally I agree with Hemingway, once you start competing directly (as opposed to in-directly) with other human players the predictable patterns of AI becomes mundane.

However a game, no matter how you regard it, is a business which either grows or contracts.  (no business truly 'flat-lines', it does either grow or contract no matter the margin) Generally with MMO's the larger customer base are the pve players therefore it makes sense to implement additional Pve content to attract those customers

Pvp can get stressful by its very nature, so I'm a firm believer that any pvp mmo must have its pve outlets, to relax and regenerate the nerves.

i look forward to seeing if PO continues to push its player base to the pvp 'beta islands' or if it strikes a balance between the two.

while normally we'd fight to the death over the color of the sky , I find myself agreeing with him. this mindset and the lack of, and the "not wanting to have any of" knowledge is the primary issue in most cases.

well that's a whole different argument

There you go believing all the M2S forum hype.  I can tell you this right now, all of the best pvp'ers are not only in m2s. And if you havent looked at the politics of the beta islands lately, I'll tell you simply that it's 1v1v1. Wouldn't be much fun if 2 alliances ganged up on the other. I think it was engineered this way by people way smarter then me, but I'm glad that it's this way as there's usually no lack of pvp on our island, and if there is we have two other choices to go to.

For those of you who think "I'm not ready" for pvp I can attest to the fact that, and maybe even moreso then Eve, this game requires you to use your mind more then your exensions. Granted, someone could have a small edge on you with extensions, but being able to compete isnt always down to who has 3% more range or damage or speed. You would also assume that your fittings make a huge diffrence -- and they do make some -- but the diffrence between standard and tier 4 CAN be negated by using in game mechanics such as terrain to your advantage. Setting up your gang in the right place, or running in the hills and many other advantages can be had by paying attention to your surroundings in game. THAT to me is what makes this game so much fun. Having that one more person in a light bot that knows what they're doing can turn the tide of a battle for your favor.

Thanks to m2s we dont have to travel daily for 30mins to find pvp. Sorry, you made us lazy

DAMNIT!!!!