1 Topic by Jack Jombardo (edited by Jack Jombardo 2011-11-18 16:59:53)

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Topic: Autocannons inconsistency (small and medium)

I know they are just thought as some form of "newbie guns" and not suported by any Fraction.
But however .... I do like them wink.

Playing around with production and different Tiers I noticed some inconsistency between T1, T3 and T4 for all types (small, med short and long).

First a table with the current values

		med mun damn	44				
Mshort	speed	mod	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	4	160,00%	17,6	70,4	125	200	325
T3	4	170,00%	18,7	74,8	145	215	360
T4	3	135,00%	19,8	59,4	150	185	335
Mlong	speed	mech	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	8	215,00%	11,83	94,6	200	250	450
T3	8	225,00%	12,38	99	210	256	466
T4	8	250,00%	13,75	110	225	235	460
		small mun dam	22				
Small	speed	mod	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	3,2	120,00%	8,25	26,4	75	125	200
T3	3,2	135,00%	9,28	29,7	80	140	220
T4	2,5	110,00%	9,68	24,2	85	150	235

The first inconsistency is the DPS-gain from T3 to T4 small.
While you gain 1,03 DPS from T1 to T3, you gain just 0,4 DPS from T3 to T4. That's realy low compared to the increased cost between T1<->T3 and T3<->T4.
If you count the increased amunition cost for T4 as you fire much faster (T3=3,2 T4=2,5) and that, in most cases, it is better to have higher alpha (T3=29,7 T4=24,2) over flat DPS, then there is nearly no reason to use T4 except for the slightly increased optimal and falloff from T4.

My sugestion for small autocannons -> adjustment of T4 like this:

		small mun dam	22				
Small	speed	mod	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	3,2	120,00%	8,25	26,4	75	125	200
T3	3,2	135,00%	9,28	29,7	80	140	220
T4	3,2	150,00%	10,31	33	85	150	235

Adjust T4 speed to 3,2 like T1 and T3 are and use a 150% mod which would increase the DPS slightly. This way you gain +1,03 DPS from T1 to T3 and +1,03 DPS from T3 to T4.
In addition the incresed alpha would make T4 worth the higher cost over T3 while amunition cost stay the same as with T1/T3.

2 Reply by Jack Jombardo (edited by Jack Jombardo 2011-11-18 16:57:59)

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Re: Autocannons inconsistency (small and medium)

Medium short range Autoguns suffer nearly the same problem.
While the DPS increase from T3<->T4 (+1.1) is in line with the increase from T1<->T3 (+1,1), the alpha is much lower from T4 compared to T3 while the amunition cost is increased becouse of the faster speed.
My sugestion would be to change T4 to 4 sec speed (same as T1/T3) with a mod of 180%. The DPS would stay exact the same.
In addition I would adjust the optimal and falloff slightly to make it more consitent.

		med mun damn	44				
Mshort	speed	mod	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	4	160,00%	17,6	70,4	125	200	325
T3	4	170,00%	18,7	74,8	140	210	350
T4	4	180,00%	19,8	79,2	155	220	375

This changes to speed and modifier would make T4 realy much better compared to T3 and so justify the much higher cost.

Medium long range Autoguns don't have the problem of inconsistent DPS as they are fine from speed and modifyers.
How ever they are inconsistent when we inspect the opti and falloff. Some little teaking would make them less confusing wink.

Mlong	speed	mech	dps	alpha	opti	falloff	total
T1/T2	8	215,00%	11,83	94,6	200	250	450
T3	8	230,00%	12,65	101,2	215	255	470
T4	8	250,00%	13,75	110	230	260	490

I know, that this changes inclued a slight range-buff in some cases. But as all autocannons aren't realy considert as "strong" I hope this isn't a problem wink.

As side note, what's the reson for the bad hit-size of medium short range guns?
Would be a big deal to lower it from 12 to 10 like medium EM guns and medium longrange autocannons are?

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Re: Autocannons inconsistency (small and medium)

i wonder who considers them as "not strong"... after all they deal WAY More DPS on my Laserbot then Lasers until i got adv. robotics 8 and thelodica robot control 8 - and then they still dont use any significant amount of AP.

they are also cheap to build, need less EP to be used, and work well together with both turret-factions bot bunuses (crit and falloff).

ontop of they are the best weapons for bots that dont have any weapon bonus (Green, industrial, Ewar)

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Re: Autocannons inconsistency (small and medium)

I don't say they are weak smile.

I too prefare them over EM on my Messmer as my Energy and Fitting extensions still suck *g*.
That's why I started to compare them and found this small inconsitencys.

+ they have a freak badass style bonus lol