Yeah forgot to mention that.

Adding any more Alpha ores would be rather pointless in my opinion.

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To revise:

+1 for unique Beta/Factional ores or materials.
+1 for the ability to synthesise them with an efficiency penalty.
-1 for restricting refining to the Beta islands.
+1 for these components being for T2+ only (to keep with proposed changes)
+1 for Refine-style mechanic
-1 for CT requirement
+1 for extension to use and/or improve efficiency

First of I simply hate the idear to give somethink unique to any beta land at all! There is no need for ANY spezial part at all.

But if someone would have this (very bad idear) it would be a must to make it posible to have a second way to get this materials.

Or would you like to stear just green bots as the materials for blue bots is controled by your "war enemy" and so they will not sell it to you.
And the corps who control yellow materials are more friendly to the blue controling "war enemys" then they are to you with your green materials?

In the end this would lead to either:
- all Beta will be a big fat blue-ally as they don't want to lose a resurce (which would gimp them)
- Beta will have no fix corps anymore as every corp let's it's home on alpha and they just start mining ops on the beta island they need the ore from

Overall it's a nice try to help the market ... but it's not very well thought out and might have some nasty sideeffects noone realy want to have.

Adding more commodities / materials? Um, do you guys even realize how much planned mining/hauling/refining goes into the existing production to maintain a high-level output?

You can't force people to use the market or NIC if they don't want to. There is always an efficient and stable way of circumventing the market. Speaking as a CEO I don't want to even begin to contemplate the nightmare of depending on the market to procure minerals needed for production.

I already have one account dedicated to just being in a capitalist-piggy corp & buying up ore on corp-market, I really don't want to sub more accounts for some elaborate market scheme just to maintain a stable and high income of ore.

Complex sandbox is fine, too complex and it becomes work. Perpetuum isn't EVE, shouldn't be EVE, and if people want EVE Mk2 I'm certainly not giving out 60€ for a tophat with Hungarian flag on top.

That's the whole problem. Circumventing the market is a bad thing. It hurts new players (who tend not to be in mega corps) and it hurts pvpers (who tend to loathe mining).

A market that functions lets people get the gear they do need in return for stuff they don't want. It allows corps that don't want to deal with production to run down stockpiles and production efforts in favor of individuals and corps that do want to deal with it and flat out enjoy it.

Markets are a good thing and an efficient mechanism for allocation of capital. The Perp market is hitting competitive rates for any number of items, and that is an awesome thing!

Adding a mechanism that guarantees that trade must occur for high level gear to be produced will make life better for all of us.

Back when I was a newb my second day in with two miners, I sold maybe 160u of Titan and then never mined it again because it was such a waste of time

Who are the suckers who actually mine titan ore? I feel sorry for them.

So that's probobly why the price is so low, its mainly mined by the people who use it so very little demand. I was just saying I feel bad for the people who mine it to sell it... way better stuff even besides epitron that sells for much higher prices.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but the prices for a lot of ores don't make much sense.