Something I forgot to mention, blue mechs are the fastest in the game, and their weapons the highest damage. This was intended to compensate for them having the lowest range.

Now missiles are the lowest range, the lowest damage, and are among the slowest. At least they don't have to use much AP to fire weapons. Oh wait, that's compensated for by giving missile mechs the lowest accumulator size and poor dps.

Perhaps it's time to take away blues speed advantage since they obviously don't have range issues anymore. No range issue = no need for the extra speed to close the gap.

Tyrannos may have a AP recharge bonus, but let's not forget, the tyrannos only has a 2000 ap max accumulator size. The artemis for example, has 3000 ap, that's 50% higher and equates to a 50% faster recharge rate. A highly trained tyrannos does get a faster AP recharge in the end, but only because of the tyrannos ap recharge bonus. I'm not saying that's a bad thing though, because AP is important.

The shield bonus on gropho is ridiculous, I agree. They should do away with shield bonus on all combat bots because they're forcing you to either use a shield, or have a wasted bonus. GG.

Pretty sure missiles are supposed to be low dps low alpha short range and affected by LOS. I heard that somewhere.

It's not about not knowing how to use a shield on a gropho, it's about not WANTING to use a shield on a gropho. Forcing racial robots to use their own weapons? Fair enough, makes sense, but forcing certain ones to use a shield is wrong and i'm shocked that it made it out of beta and this far into release.

6 weapon slots: 4 missile, and 2 turret slots nub.

Give me here effective pvp shield build, if you so smart

Medium T4 EM range, with I think lvl 8 long range shooting skill, is 363m - falloff about 100m.
Missiles (Med T4) with I again think lvl 6-8 long range skills is 446m. I also can't access my client atm.

Yeah the Kain will hit the Tyrr at 463 meters,  but it will be for 0.1% of full damage.

I am pretty sure your math is wrong. Could we get someone with a client and those bots online? With my skills I should get my range to more than 700m with 3 RE (I am pretty sure my prop mixing is at 8). Might be off because I remember my short range fit at 226m and the compact missiles range nerf is 50% right?
math is 226*(1.18^3)*2

With my skills the Kain can get to 593 meters with 3Re but won't have a sensor amp

Here are the base ranges for T4 medium weapons. For T4 medium launchers I will calculate the range of long range chemical missiles when fitted into a T4 medium launcher.

Medium T4 long range lasers = 350m + 100 falloff
Medium T4 long range EM guns = 310m + 60 falloff
Medium T4 launchers with long range missiles = 324m + 0 falloff

Lasers are quite clearly the range kings.

EM guns have overall more range than missiles, when you factor in skills that the missile bots do not get use from, such as the skill that boosts your falloff, and not to mention blue mechs falloff robot bonus, EM guns then begin to have significantly more range than missiles. A good skilled blue mech pilot will easily get their falloff to 100+m

So missiles have the shortest range now, and yet blue mechs retain being the fastest mechs which was only given to them in the first place to help them make up for their short range. Now that they have not only better range but also more speed than missile mechs, there's an imbalance.

Guignolet, whats the range without the Heat-X?

Also is the compact missile nerf is 50%? If it isn't then MY math is wrong because compacts gave me 223m range.
Do you have missiles loaded into the launchers Purgatory?

Well give me an hour and I will come back home and post the screenshots.

Last edit- missiles were doing more that 800m.

Of course I do, chemical ballistic missiles range is 270m.

Multiply the 270 by 1.20 to get the base range when fitted in a T4 medium missile launcher

Then multiply *1.30, *1.15, *1.15, *1.15 to get 640.592 metres. The 1.30 is for level 10 propellant mixing, the 3 lots of *1.15 are for 3 T4 range extenders.

20% for T4 launcher.

15% T4 range extender.

Sorry, I'm just repeating what you and Dan said. 'It should be this way, I remember hearing that once'. You called it trolling, not me

With the implication of course being 'situations never change, knowledge never grows'.

Your memory may be correct, and at that moment in time, they did want missiles to be the midrange choice, but right now, they've decided balance is better served by having missiles as the short range choice. Why else would they shorten the range?

Only they're not the short range choice, because they can shoot 750m without hitting a hump in the ground, but that's beside the point. I was simply highlighting the speciousness of the entire argument.