Nerfing the tutorials out of fear of gold farmers is really sad.  At the very least I should have the choice of doing level 1 missions AND the training ones not being forced to grind rep from 0.

People who started before the Friday patch now have a big advantage over those who didn't since grinding relation rep is tedious and extremely time consuming; especially in an arkhe.  There is an even wider gap in progression now.  Notice how many more people you have begging for NIC in Help! since the patch.

As I pointed out, this is my 3rd account that I'm posting from, and even giving myself a Yagel from another account the training missions were dangerous, tedious, and still very very time consuming.  Their only benefit is they don't hurt your rep with other corps but they don't add much either.  I ran about 10 missions and was still at .04 relation with my highest, this is INSANE and very anti-newbie.

If you don't want to give people free bots anymore please at least give them lvl 1 standing so they have more choices of where to start in the game.  This is going to turn off a lot of free trials, and cause serious issues with people who sub thinking they will get some restrictions lifted.

Why can't the trading of NIC and items or whatever be restricted just on trial accounts as is done in EVERY other MMO instead of punishing everyone new including paying customers?

You already have a 15 day trial, facebook.
Making a completely open "Try as many times as you like" trial just shows how desperate you are for new players. The game isn't ready for sudden influx's and you're still losing a lot of older players. Either get the tutorial right and be ready for an injection of people or keep trying to build up slowly and sort out why people are leaving the game.

I understand you can't give a free light robot to every new player but honestly when a noob joins and doesn't get help from another player the game is completely ruined and you want to quit. Another change like this and you'll cut off ALL new players from starting the game and it will be down to friends inviting friends.. Which has ended!

If you want to get player feedback don't always listen to what people are Q.Q'ing about. You need to come up with your own ideas. Pitch them to each other and then pitch them to the player base. Even if you make a "Buddy" system that might work better than a trial right now. The market is terrible because there is no NIC changing hands in the game. All the NIc is held by the few rich players and you don't start making a "good" sum of NIC until level 4 and 5 assignments on beta island which most players will never see because of the terrible PVP balance.

TL;DR Bad stuff is happening.

NPC bounties would help with this feeling of treading water...

Here comes the proof of what I said would happen:

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/post/22260/#p22260

Expect a lot more posts like that one, and even more silently quitting.

I was honestly surprised that I got so much free stuff from the tutorials.  We are in universal agreement that the market needs to be stimulated, and now we have all new players gunning for light bots from the market.  How is this bad?

It's a free market.  If the light bots cost too much for new players, they won't buy them, and prices will come down.  Then they eventually will not be too expensive, and new players will buy them. 

Economy thrives.

By the way, for now the tutorial missions are still available and still hand out the same rewards. We'll find a way to highlight it more to stand out from the "training" missions. (Naming them "training" missions might not have been a very good idea.)

If you can't find the tutorial missions on a new character please report it.

First, your experience isn't from new player perspective, your an established player adding an alt. Of course the idea of grinding a new account is going to be distasteful, as you have already done it (twice). I had the same feeling, well before the change, when I reset my account after 41 days and had to start over. It took me about 5 weeks to 'forget' all the time I had already spent and to force my self to regrind the rep. Rep is always a grind, and its not just a korean gamer thing.

The devs have to assume that the 15 day free accounts are used by farmers. What they can do is offer a light bot upon subscribing, with insurance already applied to help with the second bot. This way there is an incentive to sign up, while limiting the trial account. I would also cap nic and limit trading; its a trial, and the play style is accesable for them to determine if they want to buy, it doesn't have to provide market access.

Honestly Creptitus go back to WoW or something.

omg i have to work for something, duh!

Well all things being equally i shoould have all my work finally sorted tomorrow and can get back in game and test all this out, rather then just seeing the fallout on the forums like i have for the past 2 weeks. Seems that people are a bit all over theplace when it comes to how this should be handled but for one thing i know i wouldnt want free accounts being able to horde up light bots to trade/sell into the main economy. But also that i dont feel its fair to gimp peoples starting postion in a way that the first thing they experience is a horrible rep grind, putting them off doing anything else or completing there trial for that matter.

But its hard to find some sort of balance without a few more changes like :
- keep the training missions as they were but make the modules nonsellable, along with the lightbots that you get.  This would mean you are still handing out 5-600k in stuff but it has on NIC value it is only good for generating more NIC/rep/gameplay. This keeps training mission rewards out of the economy and production cycle, without nerfing the use of the rewards to real players, only those that would want to profiteer[farms/multi-accounts]

-Will try to think of more later lol

Relationship bonus only makes a small difference. It's for endgame once you've trained everything else you can start to grind standings. Forming a squad will allow you to share relation bonus.

It's not great but there are ways around needing relations. You need very few producers per corporation and at most 2 prototyper.

No one would be farming them.

Since its "Truck simulator online" right now.

T1 transport still gives way more than tut. So you can. Screw that!

Or you will finally try to balance.

edit: oh, and you could nerf t1 transport. and kill the game. perhaps you should look at the things in the game that are imbalance in sense of "not worth doing a *** *** that mission"