1 (edited by Codrus 2011-02-14 00:20:23)

Topic: Combine Decoders for higher levels

How about a way to combine X number of  the same decoders and get the next decoder level.

Pick your number Devs.   

combine 10 level 1 decoders and get a level 2.
combine 10 level 2 decoders and get a level 3.
combine 10 level 3 decoders and get a level 4.

Otherwise these level 1, 2 and 3 decoders are worthless.

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topic/1076/decoders/

use the search, type in "Decoder" and you get that topic...

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Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

you forgot you beta topic reference Anni!

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

thats already in that other topic wink

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5 (edited by Dromsex 2011-02-14 03:01:07)

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

Combining would be good but - numbers can be tricky here as in your formula.

You would need 10 billion lvl 1 decoders to form a lvl 10.

Despite from this unpractical number - either lvl 1 decoders would becoe even worth less then nothing or higher lvl decoders would increase in value very much and allow market speculation and create pseudo NIC.

Optimum would be to choose a system that would keep the current decoder prices at the current prices, but still required some work when combining decoders for an upgrade.

This here - is a more realistic approach and would keep similar current prices without market inflation:

x = (1*(x-1)) + (2*(x-2))+1 + (3*(x-3))+2

where x is the decoder lvl you aim for.

This would mean - to make a lvl 10 decoder you'd need:

1 lvl10 = 1 lvl9 + 3 lvl8 + 5 lvl7

the others would be made of:

1 lvl9 = 1 lvl8 + 3 lvl7 + 5 lvl6

1 lvl8 = 1 lvl7 + 3 lvl6 + 5 lvl5

1 lvl7 = 1 lvl6 + 3 lvl5 + 5 lvl4

1 lvl6 = 1 lvl5 + 3 lvl4 + 5 lvl3

1 lvl5 = 1 lvl4 + 3 lvl3 + 5 lvl2

1 lvl4 = 1 lvl3 + 3 lvl2 + 5 lvl1

now to start from scratch and only start with decoders lvl1-3 you would need:

1 lvl5 = 4*lvl3 + 7*lvl2 + 5 lvl1

1 lvl6 = 12*lvl3 + 16*lvl2 + 20*lvl1

1 lvl7 = 29*lvl3 + 55*lvl2 + 60*lvl1

1 lvl8 = 85*lvl3 + 133*lvl2 + 145*lvl1

1 lvl9 = 232*lvl3 + 378*lvl2 + 425*lvl1

1 lvl10 = 632*lvl3 + 1052*lvl2 + 1160*lvl1

i think this is probably a superincreasing knapsack, correct me if im wrong.

6 (edited by Evolution 2011-02-14 13:16:08)

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

omg stole my topic tongue

just kidding, but still, seems more and more players desire this....

cheers

7 (edited by Codrus 2011-02-14 14:13:40)

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

You would need 10 billion lvl 1 decoders to form a lvl 10.

I wouldn't expect to use level 1 decoders to construct a level 10, at least that wouldn't be my intent.    Something simple to help with the next level would be nice. For instance if you already have a bunch of 2s or 3s, not necessarily to create everything from scratch using lvl 1s.

You idea has merit, Dromsex.  Even that would be better than what we have now.  I understand you don't want low level decoders to become too powerful, but I also don't want to have to pull out my calc book and slide rule to figure out what i will need to make a lvl 2 decoder.

As systems grow in complexity, they tend to oppose their stated function.

I'm just trying to reuse my decoders in a simple fashion. smile

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

Right Codrus - it would be very easy to but an algorithm in the game, you choose your target decoder, but in some different lvl decoders you already have - and the game calculates and shows you how much you'd need of which decoder.

But other then that - the idea is mainly to keep the prices stable. I'm sure if the DEVs agree to the basic idea, they will come up with something useful.

Again another idea - for the emantime they could make them recyclable.

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

HUN would also like to see something done with the lower lvl decoders. As it is now, they are just there to catch the dust in our hangars

Industrial Junkie

Re: Combine Decoders for higher levels

I think the OP was OK; Convert (10) of level X to (1) of X+1.

Make it a prototype function that needs to be learned through kernels, and uses (10)x level 1 to produce level 2, with a NIC and time cost... suppose you could toss in some additional mats. To keep it balanced, the 'cost' to upgrade the decoder should be 1.5 times greater then that level of decoder to make sure it can't be used to make NIC directly, but where it is still worth it to use on a CT.