Math is good, I like math.

There are 2 things you've done here though, T4 and Precision 10, to show the maximum potential impact of a stabilizer.

The same thing could be said with any T4 module and level 10 extension, that whatever your modifing is going to be more powerful.

So really, the question isn't if T4/Lvl 10 is good, becasuse really for that investment it should be good, but is it overpowered for the cost, and how does the introduction of the module change the game play.

IMO this is a non-issue for medium weapons vs. light bots. It takes so few hits on a light bot, that the practical difference between a 40% and 55% chance (for instance) isn't game breaking. It's an 'acceptable' advantage for spending the EP and fitting the module.

Do assualt bots use evasive modules now? My impression is they don't, or even more accurately assaults themselves aren't used.

If the stabilizer doesn't give a outstanding advantage against light bots, and mechs rarely meet assualts, then there isn't any compelling reason to use the module. If something isn't a must-have, then it isn't overpowered.

Missle bots may equip this module because it is a straight boost to DPS. A t4 missile tuning gives 8% more damage and 8% cycle time to ALL targets, where the stabilizer woudl only give 15% more against assaults and light bots, no bonus against other mechs. Assuming the value  is 15%.

And that last bit is really the key. Are Mech pilots going to euip a module that ONLY gives them an advantage when fighting smaller bots, while slowing them down and costing a lot of NIC? Remember that mech/hmech isnt the deviding factor for using this module, its the dispersion ratio of the medium weapon and what you plan to use it against.

I wasn't thinking about replacing a T4 tuner with the stab, just showing that the DPS advantage of the stab isn't op since you can get a similar DPS boost with a T4 tuner. Being, as you say, a leg slot, these modules are typically heavy, so if they do end up being heavy, they won't be used for any speed fits.

I'm convinced that the stabilizer is a module that is going to see use for mechs using 'heavy' artilliary, which we don't know what the hit dispersion is going to be. We have small and med. weapons now, a large weapon could have a 20 hit dispersion. The mod could be being put into the game at this point so it will be available for when large weapons are introduced. Which would support it being massive. We'll know in a couple of days

Arga - i was using maxed precision firering and seismics to see what the worst outcome for target light bot. And for those with heavy mechs, its probably not very uncommon to have it maxed anyway.

theres also a medium weapon that will profit with such a module even against mechs:
medium machinegun
12° * 0.7 = 8.4° lowest possible dispersion atm.

Btw, i don't think artillery will work like existing weapons. After all it will be a long range ballistic AoE weapon.

the reason why evasive mods are not used are different:

1. they add mass
2. they only effective in lights and light ewars
2a - lights and ewars only have two legslots, lwf is a must in one of them
2b - second slot is either fitted with repair , resists, accu or nothing
3. evasive mods are expensive (hydrobenol, espitium)

only reason to fit an evasive for me atm would be to make my shield more effective

I think it depends on what it boils down to. Maybe it wont be worth it to put on a mech to hit a light like was brought up, but I think it will be -- espically if you know your enemy will be in lights. Besides, 1 of these in a small mech gang for anti-tackle?

I can also see that you don't have alot of experience fighting in light bots against mechs. Good percesion firing skills destroys light bots as it is now. Ask the dom crew. Their tacklers are getting destroyed trying to tackle. Ewar bots getting 1 shot by a kain if 3 of 4 guns hit. This is where tatics are invovled, and using terrain. If you catch a mech in the right spot, with the right stuff he's screwed.

Now enters this module... it has the possibility of making light bot warfare next to obsolete... when your enemy knows you're going to use them in a defense situation. On a roam, you fit one mech out with it to be anti tackle/light bots.  Maybe that's the intention. Make mechs the main choice for pvp. They're more expensive, but going to be easier to get. Maybe now kains or ew mechs will be the new tackle. Maybe the next move is to rename the game Mechs Online.

Thankfully you light bot guys get a free respec though right?

Your absolutely correct about me not having a lot of PVP exp, which is why I appreciate your response, and help me understand a few things.

I'm just looking at this from the point of how this will practically impact the light bots, so when you tell me that mechs already destroy lights when pilots have good precision skills it makes it seem like a redundant module; or that maybe the extra weight in will actually make them worse at killing the faster lights?

Just on the walk into work, the concept of just fitting 1 mech with the stab came to me... as I passed the pizza place, which was totally a coincidence that made me hungry too. Which lead me to thinking about scanners, and how you never hear about anyone using them, but that if they did scan and find that bot with the stab, the lights would make that primary.

The last part, is if you absolutely know that your enemy is going to use the stabilizer, then lights can fit the evasive module right? And I would ask, if they are getting destroyed by mechs now, why aren't they fitting the evasive modules? And if your in a defensive position, why would you swap out a defensive leg item for an offensive leg item?

It just doesn't look that cut and dry; that stabs will make lights obsolete.

"Slightly", don't wet your underwear so quick.

All the reasons assault bots aren't used in PvP apart from it being the only thing you can pilot weren't addressed however. What was changed had no impact in its practical application in PvP.

Styx. I personally think that the issue with assaults is that pilots skip to mechs. functionally this means that pilots choose to spend the min. EP into small weapons and light bots, so they have more for advanced extensions; making the assualts ineffective.

So, no.. the assault love isn't going to make players use them, but there was still some love.

so, increase base weight on assaults so faster when fitted? or make them lighter for speed-fitting?

I'm not in game, is it a % or straight value?

10 to 15%, easy to fit but weight is 525, not unique module.