Also,

I forgot that I have also chased corps to alpha and then intentionally sat with my bots on the top farming pots with the best locking times in the game to tag mobs and prevent alpha side farming.

I believe some of you have experienced this, but this is the type of thing that can and will ruin peoples taste for a game.

Zoom you and the Devs should be more involved in this discussion, ask some questions etc.

Or if you've made up your minds lock the topic and lets move on.

Ville and Syndic, you guys disagree with this?

No, This is 'farming' in reality if I setup this fit I can be out damaged by a dmg build bot.

Something along the lines of loot being tied to majority dmg and not first tagging. (Similar to losing the loot if someone else does more dmg)

Ofcourse I disagree with it, narrowing the gap between Alpha and Beta got us to this point where we are now. Countless corps and players vanished off the face of the earth when they got out to Beta and discovered they were better off staying on Alpha and farming spawns forever.

The game cannot move forward by any means if the Devs have to make it revolve around a 5-10 man corp being self-sufficient and relevant in the game.

Not all content should be accessible to solo players. Not all content should be accessible to 5-10 man corps that don't want to work together with anyone else.

Narrowing the gap between Alpha and Beta has been the guideline since 2011, there is a proven track record that if there is nothing for players to strive towards, they'll just get bored and go play something more fun.

It doesn't have to be exclusively vertical.

Space cannot be a problem because there is no competition for 10/15 outposts! Where are the wars for control of Norhoop? Why aren't we making joking remarks in C/D about Kentasomalia? Because nobody cares about stations that are more hassle managing SAPs every 10-16 hours then actual reward, on islands that are only better then Alpha by the fact there's Epriton there.

Go the other way. Make the gap between Alpha and Beta drastical. Make the gap between Beta and Gamma drastical too.

Give players something to fight over.

Unlocked outposts and reinventing the wheel from 2011 isn't "something to fight over".

This game only has 5 - 15 man corps left. Nobody is talking about making it revolve around them, just about making it inclusive of them. Your nuts.

Every post you make confirms why this change needs to happen for this game and community to survive and have am alternative to the all or nothing displayed. From the multiple posts by lemon explaining with enthusiasm how he stopped people playing through grief play to your continual politically motivated bullshit post's from an imagination land where the game suddenly gets popular by catering to 1% of its possible appeal.base.

It would be funny if it wasn't hamstringing progress.

I think the arguments are played out anyway tbh.

It comes down to if you think there should be room on beta for 5 - 15/man corps or should it be alliances only.

Since you have already stated your preference I don't see what the holdups are.

Evidently corps need reason to contest the Beta outposts, otherwise in 6 months there wouldn't have been tumbleweeds rolling around the 10 outposts we gave up to the community.

Also evidently, corps need reasons to recruit newbies into their organizations. It's a lot easier for a new player to integrate into a well oiled existing organization, then to hold our collective breath and hope 30 of them manage to bump into each other and make a new corporation.

With sparks gone, power projection will finally be solved. With field terminals Beta will be more accessible.

The key questions Zoom are;

- If you're a corp leader, why would you want to capture a Beta outpost? What does it give you?
- If you're a corp leader, why would you want to work with someone else's corporation?

Put yourself in our position and look at the problematic through our eyes.

Corp-leaders keep 99% of their corporations playing other games simply because there is nothing for them to do in-game, and it's been like that for a long time.

Like I said before, we've been progressively restricting the game back towards what it was on release over the past 3 years, it's proven that it doesn't work. Let's go the other way! Expand the game in all directions, add more reasons to play and fight.

Otherwise it'll be the same 20 dudes, except they'll be blueballing in untoucheable terminals until they can run out to huzzah an argano somewhere.

Are you from Narnia? There's no corporations growing on Alphas, doing recruitment and all the shizzle, just waiting in line for the higher rewards. Solely increasing Beta rewards isn't a way to go. Content needs to be made more accessible and player-made content needs to be encouraged and balanced. As long as all the decent sandbox content requires 6+ months of growing up on Alphas, it's never going to appeal to the masses.

So long as your industry can get locked out of a station, nobody is going to move industry there. Fact.

@Ville: Doesn't make it easier to defend an outpost and it doesn't lessen the risk of getting your assets locked off in 2 days whenever a group of vets become bored, you go to holidays or say something very-very upsetting and disagreeable in public.

The bottom line is, that's not how sandboxes should behave. Sandbox MMO's should give players more freedom and choices than any other game. The only choices in Perpetuum is either live on Alpha or join an alliance.