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DEV Zoom wrote:

Actually we have introduced new tiers twice (not counting prototypes). Once when we got artifacts (T0 and T3-), and once when we got distress beacons (T2+ and T4+).

We do have plans for T5 which will be colixum-based items, but they certainly won't be a +x% copy of T4.

T0 is for recycling.
T3- no one uses unless you've just got it laying around.
T2+ And T4+ are a lottery item.

I guess I should clarify more.  Manufactured tiers?

But here's what makes me scratch my head.  Why take the slow painful route to reinvent the wheel?  If you keep it cookie cutter simple players could get so much more balanced content instead of waiting 6 months to a year developing features then waiting a year on live server before re balancing it again.  I just don't understand why y'all want to reinvent the wheel?

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Because what you propose is only good for those handful of veteran players and even that for a very limited time only. It wouldn't take long before that would become the de facto standard equipment, practically making some other tier obsolete, not to mention the newbie-veteran gap widening effect it brings.

And then someone comes with the same complaints, we bring in T6, repeat the above, and I hope you can see where that leads.

28 (edited by Chemist 2015-05-08 18:34:51)

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Wipe Ville. 8-]
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Chemist wrote:

Wipe Ville. 8-]
And then he will aim for 1-2 years ahead. smile

correction, wipe villes research and assets after the mission revamp patch.

to bad even if you would do it, with the direct research he can have the handfull t4 items he needs researched in no time again.

ville, for what do you need t6 when your whole group runs around with fat brown heavy mechs with all the same boring equip...

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DEV Zoom wrote:

Because what you propose is only good for those handful of veteran players and even that for a very limited time only. It wouldn't take long before that would become the de facto standard equipment, practically making some other tier obsolete, not to mention the newbie-veteran gap widening effect it brings.

And then someone comes with the same complaints, we bring in T6, repeat the above, and I hope you can see where that leads.

I broke your sentences out to clarify my point a little better, and Zoom I'm not trying to come off as trying to bash you or your work, you guys have a fantastic game and some of the features in this game are truly amazing.  And its really appreciated that you are open to dialogue and discussing things with us. And I hope I am not being annoying or offensive by breaking the sentences out.

1.  Because what you propose is only good for those handful of veteran players

Your thinking tunnel vision bud.  In the grand scheme players will have to be farming kernals, building research farming fragments and build stock piles to fight wars and pvp with or more efficient mining/harvesting.  Will this help the brand new player?  Absolutely because it will increase the demands of fragments/kernals and Minerals and on a long term scale the more steps in the production phase you can see sustained growth for the need of fragments and tangible assets.  Minable material!  You can bring in colixum based minerals to have some weight in the market.  Newer corporations can stick a T1 mining terminal down anywhere and mine some colixum, or be sensible and remove the mining tower's NEED to mine colixum and use it like any normal mmo and just have it buff miners in a certain radius over ANY field.

2.  even that for a very limited time only.

I been playing for 3 years with T4 caps, I think we could squeak out another 4 years with T5.  Even when your ready to introduce "heavy weapons" you don't have to sit through the T1 through T5 gambit you can just introduce two tiers or whatever.  Your the developer you have great ideas, I am just taping on the glass outside the box.

3.  It wouldn't take long before that would become the de facto standard equipment, practically making some other tier obsolete

Then make T5 heavy as all be.  Speed is everything in this game!  If T5 reduces your overall KPH by 15 ~ 40 theres a major draw back to using it right there, or Make negative debuffs on it Make the accumulator usage a tidbit higher. 

4.  not to mention the newbie-veteran gap widening effect it brings.

Don't get mad at me and ban me please, but you already made that gap significantly wider when you did the robot rebalance.  Because, you killed Ranged combat.  Everything is in your face brawl ERP tanks.  Which means bring more people or GTFO.  Which made the newbie - Veteran gap huge.  Because their EP levels won't allow them to fit certain fits the veterans can and overall they can't produce DPS anywhere close to veterans.

5.  And then someone comes with the same complaints, we bring in T6, repeat the above, and I hope you can see where that leads

Zoom isn't that the case of any mmo?  Of course over time your player base is going to ask for "New Items (T6)" they are going to ask for more tools to play with.  And besides we all know your going to do some major overhaul of modules later in the games lifespan that forces players to respect to a different class for min/max dps. 

I hope I have not come across as Sarcastic or degrading I just want to see more Sand in the Sandbox.

Thanks.

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No offense but you basically said the same thing, just longer. Of course you've been playing for 3 years with T4 caps - because it was a cap, with good reason. Not because we couldn't have done that copypaste magic years ago, but because it's that kind of throwaway content that we don't want to put into this game, not if there is a better way to provide meaningful and long-lasting content instead. And just because every other mmo out there does the same thing does not make it a good idea, especially when most of them are struggling on the market.

I know that colixum-based items should have been there from the release of gammas, and we intend to remedy that soon. As said, we do have plans for T5 which won't be just a simple step of the numbers.

32 (edited by Celebro 2015-05-08 22:20:40)

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I disagree completely with having t5 the complete set of tiers we have needs to be re-balanced.

Actually having 3 tiers is more than enough.

t1 cheap gear not much to change
t2 light gear slight improvement on performance stats from t1 (requires Epriton)
t3 heavy gear best stats (requires colixium and epriton)

Something along these lines.

I do agree with having specialised robots with same chasis models soon as possible which won't take much time to do.

e.g having specialized Scarab better for mining boosts or HM combats for farming.

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Thank you for your feedback Zoom.  Have a wonderful day!

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Zoom is right I think t5 will just create power creep, and they have to draw the line somewhere. That does not mean we can not ad more tools to improve game play and not necessarily improved performance.

Just to give and an example special shield module that goes on and off as you shoot so there is less micro management or a set of logistical bots separate from industrials using same chasis. Basically stuff that improves QoL but not performance and gives you more choice.

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I like the idea of recycling the model for an arbalast and making it into a hybrid that has different slot layout and has a boost to using ecm. Make heavy weapons and just put them on the same heavy mechanisms models with different stats and call that your siege bot.

Collixum shouldn't need a tower

36 (edited by Syndic 2015-05-09 15:36:05)

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The biggest problem this game has is horribly slow development.

Followed by pig-headed balance patches that remove entire races or playstyles as viable options in PVP.

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Syndic wrote:

Followed by pig-headed balance patches that remove entire races or playstyles as viable options in PVP.

Your words, and your playstyle doesn't connect. You say there is only one valiable option, but then when you play that options, you always explode...

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May as well toss us a complete respec with the patch too.  wink

Flame on!  smile

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DEV Zoom wrote:

Actually we have introduced new tiers twice (not counting prototypes). Once when we got artifacts (T0 and T3-), and once when we got distress beacons (T2+ and T4+).

We do have plans for T5 which will be colixum-based items, but they certainly won't be a +x% copy of T4.

Bravo!  Before 2020 please....

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Annihilator wrote:
Syndic wrote:

Followed by pig-headed balance patches that remove entire races or playstyles as viable options in PVP.

Your words, and your playstyle doesn't connect. You say there is only one valiable option, but then when you play that options, you always explode...

I take acceptable losses while winning with the only one viable option, you score a few kills then lose everything and whine on the forums.

wink

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I see only the cir/phm and 77 whine on forums. The rest of the talk on the merits.
Do not play, and whine, whine, whine ... Some have already started hallucinating. Others use bugs and still whine. In third was formed Russophobia... Poor gamers... Not ban squalid, even though they violate the user agreement. lol

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Dirty botters like you are the last person to talk about using bugs. Especially with a CHAOS tag, or did you forget how you broke Hunter's base? 100% legit right? lol

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Dirty botters like you are the last person to talk about using bugs. Especially with a CHAOS tag, or did you forget how you broke Hunter's base? 100% legit right? lol

During the attack the base of Hunter, I was not playing. And I never used bots. More whining! smile Oh yes... http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/post/121987/#p121987

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"...we didn't make an exception for terrain. So basically the problem is that turrets expect to shoot holes into the terrain which of course doesn't happen. We're working on a fix." (с) Zoom.

In other words, it is a bug and will be fixed. And you know about it and still continue to use it more than 20 days. You are so poor that even the developers do not want to ban you. However, you still not play. Most of the server does not approve of your style of play. I think that if you all ban the server does not lose anything. smile

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I'm not whining, you'll have to do your 20-hour-a-day botting for 2-3 years before you get to the point we were at after one of our beacon-ops. lol

Until then enjoy the arkhes, they'll be there every day all day. lol

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- Bots! Zoom, bots! They all bots! Call the doctor! Bots flooded the entire planet!
- But there are no bots ...
- There! I see them! They're everywhere!
- But it's not a bot.
- Bot! An inner voice told me!
...
You are so funny. lol

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Syndic wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
Syndic wrote:

Followed by pig-headed balance patches that remove entire races or playstyles as viable options in PVP.

Your words, and your playstyle doesn't connect. You say there is only one valiable option, but then when you play that options, you always explode...

I take acceptable losses while winning with the only one viable option, you score a few kills then lose everything and whine on the forums.

wink

i other words you suck at pvp.
Acceptable? if you could accept those losses, why did you ally up with another group to be able to field more agents then your opponent?
You've basicly admitted defeat.

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Chemist wrote:

- Bots! Zoom, bots! They all bots! Call the doctor! Bots flooded the entire planet!
- But there are no bots ...
- There! I see them! They're everywhere!
- But it's not a bot.
- Bot! An inner voice told me!
...
You are so funny. lol

omg... chemist activated, again drunk

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49 (edited by Chemist 2015-05-10 16:11:13)

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Lick more. However, it is not appreciated.

If someone has something to say on the merits - talk. A stupid lunges about me leave yourself.

badas: stop drink vodka, stupid russian idiot. Shame on the nation...

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Chemist wrote:

Lick more. However, it is not appreciated.

If someone has something to say on the merits - talk. A stupid lunges about me leave yourself.

badas: stop drink vodka, stupid russian idiot. Shame on the nation...

just a game chemist, just a game
you're too serious about pixels smile

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