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Topic: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

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"Update, removed this part as practice has overruled it:
Cases where reimbursements are NOT possible no matter what:
PvP losses, meaning where your robot has been destroyed by another player (as opposed to being killed by NPCs for example).
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We deserve to know if the losses for the big fight were reimbursed because of the so-called LAG?

If these are being reimbursed, there is simply no point to the PvP and other stuff.



Dont lock this - the community deserves to know


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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

I know for a fact the Tamas Kill was not because of Lag.  Also the Stug Kill wasn't Lag.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Not Lag http://www.perp-kill.net/kill/258717

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

This guy died because of Lag: http://www.perp-kill.net/kill/258793

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This guy died because of Lag: http://www.perp-kill.net/kill/258791

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Aranol Carter is the only one who didn't lag right lol

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

It's not that hard really, I have removed that part, so this takes over:

All other situatons not covered here (including lag and disconnect issues) are handled and decided upon on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

I'd love to see the fraps from the other side. I can't image more than half dozen lagged out but if that half dozen included FC and other key players/commanders well... that's not everyone.

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Thanks for reply.

Please consider that some groups of people are full of dooky and will beg for their bots back.

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It's not that hard really, I have removed that part, so this takes over:

All other situatons not covered here (including lag and disconnect issues) are handled and decided upon on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

If you reimbursed June 2, Norhoop, that could be compared to highway robbery and the proverbial wool was pulled over your eyes.


DEV Zoom wrote:

It's not that hard really, I have removed that part, so this takes over:

All other situatons not covered here (including lag and disconnect issues) are handled and decided upon on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

A fair, legit fight where one side came out ahead with no bullshit, just good tactics and stuff.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

I'm not falling for propaganda from either side, just sayin'.

We have some ways to determine whether someone had lag or not, though it's not really exact science.

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Thanks for an answer.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

So if I pull my Ethernet cable out of my computer in Rage, will that be considered connection issue?

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

ive lost my zenith two years ago to someone on gamma due to unexpected disconnect - can i get that one back too?

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

what is the usual turn around time wise for support tickets anyways?

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Depends on the moon phase. I've seen reimbusement tickets come through in a night and others in weeks.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

There was massive lag on both sides. People standing next to me dc'd and blew up in explosions that didn't register for at least 30 seconds after. If you didn't experience lag, then good for you! No need to *** on others that did when they try to get reimbursed.


Besides Gunner, we'll just use them to pvp you more, so what's the problem?

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Smokeyii wrote:

There was massive lag on both sides. People standing next to me dc'd and blew up in explosions that didn't register for at least 30 seconds after. If you didn't experience lag, then good for you! No need to *** on others that did when they try to get reimbursed.


Besides Gunner, we'll just use them to pvp you more, so what's the problem?

The problem would be that you wouldn't have to replace them after we risked our bots. You would basically be getting free bots and would take away from the hardcore aspesct of the game. There's pvp in WOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU4Gfxl9ad0&sns=sms this is the vid i made of the fight in question and I only noticed 2 people actually dcing

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

I think Smokey hit the head of the nail there.  I think Explosion is causing a lot of this.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Tbfh you opened a very old can of worms with this, there's a good reason why that was in the reimbursement rules.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

Ville wrote:

I think Smokey hit the head of the nail there.  I think Explosion is causing a lot of this.

you suggesting temporary deactivating AoE explosions until fixed... like gamma?

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Ville wrote:

I think Smokey hit the head of the nail there.  I think Explosion is causing a lot of this.

Not just that but if your fleet becomes less effective due to some people lagging and FC's disconnecting then your sentencing the fleet to death anyways.

I have seen a lot of lag complaints in fleet fights and have always been sceptical. I do know I had to ask three times for folks not to say if they were lagged out and still got it on comms. For us as a group and me personally it was real and crippling and you can hear that clearly in our comms.

I think this is the third time I've ever requested a reimbursement and there's been a lot of fights in that time.

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Re: Dear Devs, are PvP losses being reimbursed or not?????? Norhoop 2 June

This isnt call of duty, its full loot drop pvp.  If losses dont mean anything, then its pointless.




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There was massive lag on both sides. People standing next to me dc'd and blew up in explosions that didn't register for at least 30 seconds after. If you didn't experience lag, then good for you! No need to *** on others that did when they try to get reimbursed.


Besides Gunner, we'll just use them to pvp you more, so what's the problem?

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I think Smokey hit the head of the nail there.  I think Explosion is causing a lot of this.

Not just that but if your fleet becomes less effective due to some people lagging and FC's disconnecting then your sentencing the fleet to death anyways.

I have seen a lot of lag complaints in fleet fights and have always been sceptical. I do know I had to ask three times for folks not to say if they were lagged out and still got it on comms. For us as a group and me personally it was real and crippling and you can hear that clearly in our comms.

I think this is the third time I've ever requested a reimbursement and there's been a lot of fights in that time.

Plz tell me u have a recorded copy of your coms during the fight and plz post the link here

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