OH NOES A COUNTER IS WORKING, NERF IT

Ewar is counter to heavy mech (which is why they have LOW sensor str), ECCM is counter to EWAR. No tuners and one ECCM brings my high ep ECM bot to level of a newbie as far as ECM chance goes. One tuner and you are still not that good while sacrificing range or extra ECM target.

Since I am no pvp expert I am kind of skeptical that Ewar is OP, but not sure. Don't see much evidence or arguments in favour of a nerf nor  do I see the other side proving otherwise, that a nerf is not needed. Not much that Devs can do about this, until all the bias is left to a side and a good argument  is made. Until then,no consensus will be reached.

Imho, If you don't fit for a fight as a group and everyone fits whatever they want you will be gimped and most surely loose unless you have numbers and skill on your side. So My question is does STC select bots that you have to take as a group or does everyone take whatever they want?

This topic can be closed now, thanks.

I swear to the gods... reading this thread is like playing chess versus a child who can't see past one movement.

You can't counter 8 queens though

We do indeed coordinate groups. This isn't really about STC vs other corps though, that's the narrative that CIR is pushing to delegitimise any form of discussion. For me, this also isn't about any of the most recent fights--i just returned recently and still don't care about losses. 

In terms of balance, the main change affecting the equation with ewar is the follow nerf. I think that it's effectively an Ewar buff because double RSAs are much harder to achieve on everything that isn't an ewar bot now, which in turn makes both ECMs and Sups more effective than they ever were before (+ tunings). This makes the question whether Ewar is a good place in terms of balance quite legitimate, imo.

@ Norrdec: With a single tuner, you get 100% hit chance vs heavies and 83% vs mechs. That's two to four bots that can be jammed out depending on how many amps they fit. With a single ECCM, the hit chances shift to 51% and 66%. I.e., the numbers go down to 1-2 bots being taken out per vagabond, depending on what kind of consistency you need.

Actually follow nerf only touched the pilots who fly 2+ accounts, ewar pilots have since forever paired together to share RSA's.

It's easy to achieve the same heavy+logibot composition, assuming a player is willing to actively fly a logibot.

Mech with 1 ECCM = ~50% chance to jam. What's the mech lock time with 2 sensor amps again? Oh... 3 something seconds... Hmmm so it needs 4 ECM's on it to succeed 4 times at 50% to achieve the "soul-crushing EWar OP"?

Sure you don't want crayons?

Take a Zenith Mk2, fit like 2xRE, 2xSupressors, rest in head is up to you. Max your skills, that's necessary, eh. Put on that Zenith 2xRSA, Ewar Nexus, Farlock Nexus, all t4 and max skills, again. Bring, says, a Tyranoss to paint targets - voila! your Zenith can 100% supress any non-eccm target at about 1305m - range limited by locking range, sadly.

1. The follow nerf limits the viability of RSAs for heavies and mechs while not impeding spider RSAs for ewars in the slightest. So the choice is to either run double amps on everything and thus reduce the power per bot on dps (in which case you'd argue that this is primarily a mech and heavy nerf) or you go with single amps as compromise and then are more susceptible to getting ewared.

2. Max skills, Vaga mk1/2. 3 ECMs + Tuner + 1 RE or 4 ecms on the mk2. The hit chances for the opposing bots are faction and skill agnostic.

Depends on whether or not their FC is there to wrangle the cats.