If Zoom was actually interested in dealing with the "problem" instead of just prolonging it with more of the same he would be wise to take heed of this.

Zoom you have already stated how you wish for us to play the game, but then you accept a point system that just will prolong the "problem" even more.  This just make ZERO sense at all in my eyes.

Sure I dont agree with it all, but this is from your side here, if your going to change something do what is suggested above.  It will actually fix what you deem to be broken.

Edit: Tele blockers are nothing new, its just they would seem to not have the resources to implement just a logical counter to what is actually happening in PVP.

Edit 2: The premise of what Burial and Lobo is correct however the balancing within those ideas would need to be looked at, for example the U size of Tele's is just  fine in my eyes, as well as the CD on emergency.  Those are details however, ones the Team will have to figure out.

This is not a wise choice, It does not fix the problem that is at hand.

A good compromise of not do anything, nor making any hard choices.  This is more of the same, on one hand we are told one thing, yet on the other nothing is done. 

Lobo has a idea that actually fixes the problems, while keeping sparks to those who need them, alpha and gamma users.

Yet its just glossed over, quickly and quietly.

I only agree to the Zoom suggestion because he wasnt willing to do anything at all until this point.

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+1

Funny enough, that combination is the one I would have voted for if it had been an option originally, so yeah... +1 on that choice Zoom.

I still stick by with what I said and what Obi said though, the nic increase (of up to 5 million) as a nic sink won't affect the vets but will be brutal for the new players that come into game when it's a 5 mil nic cap. Zoom, I do hope you take some time to consider that part.

I think Merkle is dead on about one thing. SpT 10 just became the new Nav 10. I know where my EP is now going for my accounts for awhile.

+1

+1 to Zoom also good compomise

PS: You guys have this much time to read? O.o (I even cant read alkl the posts here, if I would like.)

The spark teleport extension will not be removed. It may be a must-have for many but not everyone, and even those who use it will not necessarily need all 10 slots.

If someone doesn't need to use all 10 tokens, he simply wouldn't, that's up to him. You can't just force lots of players and possible incoming newbies to save EP just because a small bunch of whiners is unable to hold their pants without your help.

If you don't have a time for changing that extension to tokens system, then don't change sparks at all.

I'm glad you picked 2 for Gammas over 3, it gives slightly more room for people involved. I just hope the matter is not considered done with and transportation as a whole gets some attention in the (not too distant) future too.

I agree here with Zoom, Spark Teles 10 is not nearly as forced to players as Navigation 10 was. I will have all Beta2-s covered for 6 points and the extra 4 gives enougn playroom for important SAPs and such. As a newbie, you probably don't need more points than 4-5.

(By the way, running polls like the one here is a very good idea and I think you should do it more often!)

Difference is, that there is no threadnoughts about small lasers or heavy gliders, and that's it.

If everyone is agreed that SpT extension becomes another "must have" with that change, why to keep it at all? I mean, what's the problem in SpT tokens instead of SpT extensions? You don't even need to implement much, everything is already in place, just use it in a different way. No time for that? Lies, if you have a time for SpT change, then you have a time to tokens change. Don't want it to be too easy? Don't think so, because SpT change keeping an extension hurts newbies much more than you think - like, newbie Alpha traders should have it at least at 6 and if you expect that they will wait you're wrong - way easier for them to just leave the game with such PITA logistics. Or probably, you think that there is not that much ppl who would like tokens? Hell, I'll just create as much threadnaughts as it's necessary.

Or maybe you can expand your opinion more?

@ilum

regardless of EVE upping Sparks/jump clones to 10, there is still 19-24 hours delay where we have zero delay; goose egg

19-24 hours

Here is an example. Let it be my corp have both vets and newbies, a newbies that are already involved in PvP, just not that strong etc. Most of newbies didn't even leveled that ext higher than 5 - it wasn't necessary cuz they had 1 spark at gamma, 1 at alpha-2 and 3 at betas. Soubds good in terms of defending, BUT! Now you're telling us that SpT change imminent. What will happen to them? By new rules, lvl 5 is only enough for 1 gamma and 1 beta - bad choice, as there is nothing to do on gammas and betas if no pvp. Or, they could go 1 beta and 1-2 alpha - bad choice aswell, cuz we want them to be able to defend a gamma base cuz it's most expensive thing in the game. Oh, maybe they could go 1 alpha and 1 gamma instead? Bad choice again, cuz with that crappy sap mechanics we want ppl to defend saps and prevent ninja rats too - and with that change is coming, attacks on saps will just increase.

So they had to choose, and maybe that's fine. But guess what - we will force them to make it beta and gamma, no matter they got bored as hell and stop playing. Tell you more - every newbie that will join us, will be forced to do the same right after he gets at lvl 5. And yes they will be bored as hell and leave too.

Have such example ever came into your mind?