i have to agree with mqx here. this is not the way it should be, or work.
if large volume pf terrain has to be changed to place/build a structure the that has to be terraformed before you be able to place the structure. even more this should be not possible if players are in the area that is changeing, just as any form of terraforming is not possible if a player is in that area. large terrain changes just as used by chaos is not a inteded game mechanic to break a defense and with this in my opinion a exploit. but thats up to the devs to decide.

best way to figure our bugs ... let players find ways to exploit it...

im just trying to be constrictive.

maybe the "more or less flat area" should be the size that the building acual needs. as far as i can see it just need the flat area where the structure stands and the area around it that "belongs" to the structure but is walkable space gets leveled.

we had the same problem when we placed our first terminal on yuraion shortly after the gamma patch just at the botton edge of a cliff. what i am saying is maybe you just should not be able to place it then if it needs that space.

this also could be used to cheap terraform very high mountains which would require a imense ammount of terraforming charges to do it with the intended tools.

if one cared about money, building a turret up fully (costs a measly 20 blocks), and then deconstructing it (refund of 15 blocks) wouldnt be a problem either. So we now have a terraforming tool that costs five construction blocks per deployment and terraforms potentially huge chunks of earth.

what zortarg means is this (i think): you create a wall that reaches the build/tf ceiling and is wide enough for exactly 1 turret. from there, you can expand that wall using turret tfing.

"turrets" got a TF effect?

when got that changed? i know that bigger buildings, like terminals got that pretty obvious effect - but turrets used to be 1-tile flat, 0 tile smooth radius, 30m terrain-freeze radius.

@ zoom i would question what constitutes " good design " .. personally i would like to be able TF down to the water table and make a mote around my castle so people were forced to enter through the proper entrance ...

IMO "good design" will require many more features and tools than what are currently provided.

Terraforming with turrets .. while its possible with the current mechanics is not the intended purpose of the building.

If you would like to state that all current "features" that are present at any one specific point in time are "part of useable game mechanic's" then what is the purpose of you banning people for using features to their advantage.

the simple solution would be to only allow buildings to be deployed or constructed when there were no players in its construction area (or within 100 meters).

Your correct the base design was not perfect because it was not completed but that doesn't change the seemingly exploitative nature of what chaos did...

@chaos stop trying to lag your way out of your cage !!!

All these problems stem from the fact that terraforming has no slope limit. Introduce one, and:

- textures will look good again
- turrets can still be built on non-flat terrain, but don't (and shouldn't be able to) terraform a 200 m high slope
- these ridiculous 'boxes' and Mordor-style walls can be banished

With that said and done, anything to break Gamma's staleness is a good development.

@ zoom no comment ??? or do you think this is to simple of a solution ... i don't see where this could cause cause any game breaking issues, at its current state the game can already tell the difference if there is a player or object in the way of something ie. error message when trying to deploy beacons to close to players and structures.

when i say deployed i mean when you click to activate the structure to make it deploy.... or if that's to far make it 75 meters.

TF is 2D if i stand 1000m above a TF beacon it thinks i am 0 meters away i would think it should work the same way for buildings ... mixing 2d and 3d calculations i don't know where the game draws the line .... but if buildings calculate in 2d then it would prevent someone from laying a building directly 1000m below me.

Zoom... Actually it should be impossible to deploy building blueprint with following message "terrain too slope". This is obviously exploit, which you can to correct with simple limits. Why don't you want - this is another problem. And nobody cares on it. Your team wanna lose the players again? - Ok, you will...

What?  You caved because of three whiners wantimg to throw a temper tantrum? Explain to me Dev Zoom how being able to make terraform walls to  the max completely around the base making completely invincible promotes risk to reward?  With undying repair nodes and Ew turrets now working through walls there's no  w to terraform in.  Your making this 100% biased to the home owner and requiring the entire population to band together to fight one corps gamma and that is terrible for game design.

1.  Repair nodes should not go into reinforcing mode.

2.  Leave this change alone,millions upon millions of Nic are being invested by the attacker.  I'm sorry you want to terraform yourselves off from the rest of the world but you shouldn't be able to.

3.  Stop being 3 yr olds threatening the Devs and running into the cornering crying.  Pathetic utterly pathetic.

They told you with deployable walls on Kentagura they didn't want  this kind of design but yet you still did it!  So why the special treatment now??  You do thus change now.  There are a lot of 62 and war guys who need to be reimbursed for some walls.