Another thing to Terraforming, now I cant terraform in 1000m from PBS, I would like, and I dont care anybody else also can.

Or Karism idea: Lets just terraformabele the PBS owner within 1000 m and 200-300m area.

well actually no the main issue i state is fixed. the moving thru an island without the use of Mobile TP's.

Now for actually assaulting well fortified strong holds... thats another issue.

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?

i think that was the purpose of gamma... what will happen if you cant terraform at the beach? you do a wall around the island... same problen only more work. but will solve nothing.

ppl that want to turtle up on their island will turtle up on their island. if you restrict the beaches or not.

if you dont like taht you can do two things:
1.: dont do that on your island so that you and your corpmates can get ganked all the time
2.: dont go to islands that are turtled up.

problem solved.

Zortarg said:

"i think that was the purpose of gamma... what will happen if you cant terraform at the beach? you do a wall around the island... same problen only more work. but will solve nothing."

Actually this can solve you can go inside the Island, if Anybody want that turtle mode will build a wall over the ilsand still can do, but after that not every island will be turtled, and better you cant walled off the island so you at least can go to other tp-s and inside the Island.

But we have teleport beacons so you really dont need to walk to the teleport, but still have issue did you thought your defense structure can be nearly invulnerable???? So everbody just walled off the TP, and then nobody cant go anywhere... On gamma do you want that? Or would like to fight sometimes?

And you dont really need walled off the hole Island, you need just some place the mining field is moving.

SOO this BIGGER issue what first seems. Nearly what happened after WALLS. Need to learn to the past.

(If my argue cant understandable or I am wrong sorry)

On A different aspect of TF.

The TF tool set to be used with beacons works rather well, or at elast it looks like it will once the beacons work. But the main part I am talking about is the the UI elements used. The tools given to transform the landscape in the TF window are easy to use and enjoyable.

But, the TF module and ammo for TF from a bot is down right a pain and not fun at all.

I would like to see it use something like the TF window and let people shape the landscape and then commit the change. At that point it would consume the TF ammo charges in your cargo hold.

i wonder how someone travels between his own PBS and other island if he walled in all those teleports.
its easy to get out with a beacon - but how do you get back in?

I thought about this too, having an alt sit at a 'door', to raise and lower the terrain. But if it was that easy, than a roaming party could also just have a trial account alt rolling along with them, and open your door just as easily.

@obi "it will effect massively new small corps trying to get onto gamma & solo ppl that enjoy ninja roaming"

Ninja roaming is exactly what I'm talking about, that's for beta. Unlike beta, any enemy that gains access to your interior can do damage to your infrastructure. Its a terminology thing, Roam to me is a single or small group going out looking for targets. Any size force, with a designated target, fitted and composed specifically for that goal is a Sortie. Gamma islands mechanics should not encourage random target roaming, they should be able to prevent it. They should however be vulnerable to directed attacks, like bringing plasma bombs and TF modules to get through barriers.

But, I don't think barricading the Teleports is going to end up being a good idea.

Also, small and new corps on gamma? Not going to happen.

The world isn't that large, and there are going to be Sortie's carried out against bases. A new corp (of new players) may be able to sneak in and build something, but they won't be able to sustain it. A small corp, with resources, may be able to replace lost structures, but without proper player defense, turrets will eventually be insuffcient, and they'll lose their main terminal. With that threat, the logistics of continually moving things in and out will burn them out.

Of course, all of that is predicated on an increase in population. Because again, if there's 24 Islands and 100 players online, 5 people isn't small, its average sized.

I believe that is true, but you also can't put a stucture down near the TP.

This was more of the situation where a corp TF's around the TP to prevent ingress to the island interior.

Creating a door around your base makes more sense, and in general Sortie parties will come equipped with TF modules for sure though.

OK. Think about this.

If an enemy can't TF within 1000m of your structures, and you have it TF'd to be impassable @ 999m, how would anyone be able to attack your structures? Assuming you also put the structures out of LOS from that range (TF a large wall, or sink the sturctures).

The way I see it: barricading yourself away from the world will take exactly as much effort as tearing down those walls. And if you do it, you'll make it quite hard for yourself to get in new resources.

My hunch is that yes, there may be some cases where people close down teleports with terraforming, and in turn others will dig a hole in the wall, but this back and forth digging will eventually become a simple nuisance requiring too much effort on both sides, and they will just stop doing it.

Zoom, I agree about the TP. The arising issue seems to be more around the base and defenses.

There's nothing stopping the attacking force from reterraforming around the TP, to make it not-perfect for turrets. Basically you can raise a buttress wall, working from behind it LOS, and simply by pass them.

Again, this isn't an issue with stopping a random roam, that part is good. This is about protecting your base from Sorties and destruction.

What's probably going to happen, is the devs just let it go with being able to TF any where, by anyone, and eventually they'll just be a single raised area for the bases, without any complex trenches or burms.

Edit: Actually, more likely that only corps with a solid 24/7 presence will be able to keep a gamma outpost active.