This does seem very powerful however you have to factor in that the Zenith Mk2 is a very specialised robot and even then it can shut-down 1 target completely or chance managing two targets (Depending on their sensor strengths.

If you have a pocket Zenith Mk2 with you for every enemy you're fighting you've already won no matter what robots they're in surely. Suppression will always be something that is considered over powered or underpowered depending how it is used. A mechanic change to never be 100% successful might help this but then what's the point of using it if it won't be successful when you need it to be.

we are back to beta now?

its two different factions ewar systems... each of them should be powerfull on their own...

but i have seen to powerfull supression already two years ago. someone who has a lockrange under 100m doesnt need to be ecm'ed anymore.

those tunings feel like they go implemented without the corresponding mechanic change.

While i agree that does seem over powered. But you will never see that bot by itself, One Vaga can shut that bot down if that zenith isn't focusing on the vaga, and even if it is your leaving all the dps that are with the vaga to kill you. This isn't that overpowered as all 3 EW mechs are fleet bots.Is that fit really what you would run? If it is your combat multiple is only X1(your only taking one bot out of the fight) thats not helpful as your taken out of the fight for the exchange. If your running a full rack of suppressors your combat multiple is x3 your can double suppress 3 enemys. A likely fit for the zenith with these new tunings will be 4 suppressors 2 tunings it will lower your over all combat multiple but increase your over all effectiveness.

All that up there being said it all boils down to your fleet vs enemy fleet also. If enemy has no E-war they are likey going to lose any how. To much E-war not enough DPS they will most likely run away.

too much Ewar and not enough DPS will in most cases win unless drastically out numbered... for every Ewar mech you field you can take1.5x the size of your current fleet if you are well rounded and know what the hell your doing.

example: 1 ictus (dedicated pilot) 1 zenith (dedicated pilot) 1 Vaga (dedicated pilot) or what ever mix you want and 2 to 3  /Kain or Arti could take a force of 8 to10 to  easy if they are skilled and know how to pvp .. its been done.

Yes, Ewar is already OP in general.

my question would be:

how many modules do i have to equip to counter such boosted ewar.

Sensor supressor tunings work ontop of supressor - while you can only use two supressors on one target, the target can only fit two sensor amps to counter. With the new EW tunings, there is only the ECCM counterfit which only loweres the CHANCE to get hit, but does not lower the effect if you got hit by a supressor.

@arga  : the ECM tunning affect the EW strength of ECM and suppressor. and BTW a zenith fit for ECM and/or suppress don't need any range extender you have allready more range than needed just with the bonus from the bot.

with all skill at lvl 10 ( long range EW adv robo and spec obs in fact) with not range extender a zenith can ECM suppress at 700m when a vaga can only do it at 490m.

any zenith pilot fitted for suppressing will never fit a range extender it's useless and a waste of head slot. especialy if you get someone with EW nexus to support you.

the question about the suppressor tunning is that they become really to overpower on a zenith or intakt with the combination of their bot bonus.

arga the suppressor tunning add there effect after the bonus apply from the bot.
bot bonus that allready change it from -25% range to  -40% on a zenith or intakt.   

getting double suppresse by -25% is not the same than -40%

so acttually getting double suppresse by -40% is the same as getting suppresse only 1 time by -65%

take the exemple of  a kain or tyrannos/artemis.
kain got 275m base  locking range
tyrannos/ artemis got 300m base  locking range

now assuming people got long range targeting at lvl 10 they got +50% for that so we got
412.5m for kain and 450 for the 2 other
most of the people get at least 1 amp on it so +45% from a t4. we are now at :
598m for kain and 653m for tyra/artemis for 1 amp
867m for kain and 946m for tyra/artemis for 2 amp

not get them double suppress by -25%
kain 598*0.75^2=336.4m       867*0.75^2=488m 
tyra/artemis 653*0.75^2=367m      946*0.75^2=532m

then double suppress by -40% done by zenith and intakt only actualy
kain 598*0.6^2=215m       867*0.6^2=312m 
tyra/artemis 653*0.6^2=235m      946*0.6^2=340m

now take this new 4 suppressor tuning on a zenith so the -65% range bonus and suppress with only 1
kain 598*0.35=209m       867*0.35=303m 
tyra/artemis 653*0.35=228m      946*0.35=331m

so as you can see 1 of this suppressor with 4 new tunning is allready more effective than 2 of actual suppressor just in suppressing locking range.

and i won't even go in the discussion about a vaga can lock down 3 target  etc etc
with the new ECM tuning you can fit 1 on a zenith and you allready got 76% EW strength when a vaga with no tunning and same skill got only 74% and you know the hudge difference between this 2 bot 1 can ecm with less accu at 525m when the other can ecm for more accu but at 700m. you will tell me than the vaga can fit a range extender to conpence the ECM tuning of the zenith but that would still let him at 603m  still less than the zenith.

so with ECM tuning Zenith just because of their EW range bonus are becomming even more supperior  in comparison to a vagabond.

when i created this topic i was speaking only for suppression tunning because i wanted to stay on the suppression and what i founded totaly stupid was this bonus for -x% locking range on this tunning.
but yeah we can elarge that to the ECM tuning to. and you will see again that the add of this 2 tuning are letting the vagabond become a useless bot in comparison with the zenith.

Why people would spend EP on a vaga when you can do the same job from far away and with the same EW strengh just for a little more accu conso. Tell me ?

now with this 2 tunning the best bot to do 1v1 is now a zenith mk2 with time you can kill whatever you want and the target will never be able to fight back  if you know how to fit your zenith with the good setup.

1v1 ?? There is no 1v1 balance.

The best a Zenith mk II could do is fight to a draw. It doesn't have enough DPS to break a repper tank or shield, and if your target isn't shooting, they have plenty of acc for repair.

If I was going to 1v1 in an ewar, I'd choose the ictus over a Zenith.

You completely ignored the accumulator issues associated with using the tuners and ECM on a Zenith. Supression, yes the Zenith can probably manage that, and they could probably 'spot' hit with the ECM to maintain cap, but why would you put on an ECM that you can only use maybe 2-3 times in a battle, instead of another supressor.

Again, in your example of 4 tuners, the zenith is shutting down 1 bot, 2 if its a MK II, although I'd bet there's not enough acc to run 2 supressors with 4 tunnings stable.

you know arga the ictus is not the only bot that can drain and neut. and since the drain/neut tunning are leg slot a zenith can use them to.

i don't want to be bad about you but seriously stop speaking when you didn't even checked the new module.
an ictus in 1v1 against a zenith mk2 would be more useless than a tyrannos.

and again i take the exemple of  4 suppressing tuning to show you how stupid they are in fact you don't even need them on a zenith to allready be able to make you'r target not even able to lock you and then fight back at you.

I read what has been said here and the one thing that i agree with is that there needs to be a reasonable counter to suppressing. Sensor Amp's are not counter to suppressing if that is what the Devs are thinking.

What i think should happen is the module gets split into two classes one is for locking range and one is for locking time. the suppressor doing both (even with out tuners) is hard to defend against.

i think suppressors should only be able to reduce locking time / used in conjunction with a ecm makes sense.

A new ewar mod should be made to reduce locking range

could you imagine if the neut not only took away accum but lowered your recharge rate and or how much accum you could gain back from injectors / rechargers ? thats kinda the same thing with suppressors it effects two attributes at once.

I think in general the new tuning is a "step" in the right direction for ewar but they need to be notched down quite a bit before the live server.

i dont like the tunings for the fact that they scratch the delicate balance between ECM and Supressor. It took almost a year and several patches to find at least a bit of balance wher both modules can be used individually and neither is to much overpowered.

and another year to get ECCMs boosted to a state where they are usefull on ANY bot.