I agree that walls are too permanent and too expensive / time consuming to destroy. Combined this with proximity probes and I beleive they become very OP as well.

Would like to see the whole system reballanced.

Walls need changes to be a temporary barrier as Hardbaby said, or just remove until you find a solution. We all make mistakes, and creating 'tools on a sandbox that is balanced is not an easy thing to do specially if it just been rushed and introduced into a live server as I would assume it was.

+1 Walls are making spontaneous pvp impracticle, and worse, making it so you do not actually have to actively scout and defend your territory, just have enough walls and probes to give you time to dock.

No the Walls are not the problem.

The problem is when we start seeing over 25+ Probes on a single island.

Walling is mutually beneficial for defense as it is for offence, either side can manipulate walls to there advantage. I will state that players can wall to "Prevent" pvp by sealing them selves in as i have seen and proceeded to gank them the only thing they did was buy time and not enough of it.

There are ways to deal with probes with a small force or solo. Where you run in to issues is when a single island hits the double digits in probage and you dont have the flexability to go elsewhere.

I will state that Alsbale with out the walls would no longer exist as they are the only decent population active on beta and the target of everyone with Alpha to Beta attacks.

Walls arn't fun when your trying to fly in from alpha and get a free a kill or weekend warrior your way to some action but for a group of players that is very limited to there options of obtaining pvp to simply defending i see no reason to penalize them for setting up ample defense.

However there are means to deal with and get around a number of probes but i am begining to notice a level exceeding a manageable amount of probes on certain islands. You may as well stick a "kill-me" sign on my back with a little red blimb saying here i am.

Maybe there should be a restriction on placing probes close to walls.

That would basically make them an early likely one time use warning system.

There needs to be a counter walls / probes. And no, neuting doesn't work because they are never in LOS.

Walls / Probes are not overpowered by themselves, they are just overpowered when used together.

I shouldn't have to rely on logon traps in order to kill people.

Also I think there should be more restrictions on walls (If I recall on IRC CRM suggested they might only allow walls within 5000m of an outpost or something like that)

what you idiots refer to as pvp is simply just janking. Walls have done nothing but protect industry, which you elites rode the back of to climb the kill board.

Instead you guys want to run through an island with 10+ MK2 Mechs, and smash the 3-4 people doing something on Beta outside of looting SAP and running back to alpha.

These are the same people that cry theres no pvp from within ICS Alpha terminal.

you want pvp then live on beta and stay their, and stop your damn crying.

Ever considered protecting your own miners instead of having walls to do it for you?

Coming from you that's rich Ville.....cough Karapyth Cough. I also think there are more direct routes to Fort Douglas then there is to Danarchov

Damnit Anni, you beat me too it!

Oh a plus note, since I know how high your Alliance Leader...hahaha... gets while trying to mine epriton.  Not really worried about diplomatic relations with the United Miners and Wall Builders Coalition.

Seriously,

fighting RG is your excuse....hahaha

2 nights a week you get a fight, and if you don't want to fight just stay clear of teleports. RG spend more time logged out then in game then anyone.

I just thought is was funny that ville complained about someone else walls....when the *** completely wall off karapyth and had to teleport into once on island.

Talk about calling the kettle black.

I also find it funny that I am insulting him and all he can do is insult everyone except me.... good one Ville that hurt.

Don'y get me wrong I like to see RG loss that station, only corp I know that plays 4 hours a week and keep there station.

STC being RG's new canon fodder is more of a threat then RG themselves.

Anni- The main problem in not the cost of plasma bombs or the effort in destroying walls, its just simply NOT PVP. Actually it's PVE to blow them up, and the numbers in General Chat speaks for its self. Not surprising that killing PVP just kills the engine of the whole economy hence the slow market, as fewer players are losing stuff.

CCP showed players the door back in summer. AV is showing us the wall. Walls add nothing to the game it just breaks it.  Walls shouldn't replace a decent defence of PVP players.

So, by not having the walls, you think you'll get those same people to fight?

They don't want a fight.

They are using thier ecomomic power to buy protection, walls and probes are not free. This game isn't always about combat PVP. If you want to combat thier defenses, then you'll have to fight on thier terms, economically (by spending NIC on bombs).

Your never going to get that fight though, best you'll do is drive them off beta. But it will be players that do it at a cost, and not by complaining on the forums about walls being too powerful.

Tl;dr - I want to play "this way", anything that stops me is OP.