Topic: 1 time option to buy EP

Just a suggestion for a 1 time option to buy 15 k of ep for $10 , and an option to buy 40k ep for $20. All total it would be 55k of ep if you bought both options which would be a little over a month of training time. Only for paying accounts and not trial accounts.

It would help newer players greatly, and if any vets wanted a little extra ep to get that one skill to a 10 it would help them also. I think it would help newer players out the most, but it should be avaliable to everyone.

Just a suggestion and no I am not suggesting a cash shop or anything like that. It would just be a one time thing. I think it would help newer players out more then vets, because newer players have to train up more skills getting started and it would let them maybe max a skill or get some more much needed skills to a 5.

2 (edited by Sundial 2012-03-02 21:34:56)

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I remember coming into the game when all other players had 6+ months more EP than me.

It was fine, more like a right of passage. Spend your EP wisely and you can be effective from day 1.  Group up with some people with higher EP.

Best advice I can give.

I think if more EP is given to new players, it should be for free not at a cost.

Looking forward to new players and new conflicts.

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Yeah, while I like the way time based skilling works, I've always thought devs, both here and in other games could be a little more generous with starting EP / skills.

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I remember coming into the game when all other players had 6+ months more EP than me.

It was fine, more like a right of passage. Spend your EP wisely and you can be effective from day 1.  Group up with some people with higher EP.

Best advice I can give.

I think if more EP is given to new players, it should be for free not at a cost.

Sundial
I am comming into the game when other players have a year or more EP then me. Really I am not worried about what other people have EP wise. I am in a good corp, and alliance so grouping with people with higher EP is no problem.

I think I have spent the EP pretty wisely, but it would help if it was an option. I mean right now I am half way decent with assualt bots, but my mech skills are pretty crummy. I can do more dps with the assualt bot then the mech. I only have one account so it could give me a little extra EP to spend if I wanted to do mining, artifact scanning, or just any type of trade skills in general.

I could dual box, but I would much prefer just to play on one account. I know alot of people have multiple accounts, but I have never really been into doing that in any games. I am ok with waiting for ep to gain. I am not complaining about it, just throwing out a suggestion as it would help new players alot.

I am ok with giving a little extra money to the people who make the game as it is pretty unique as mmo's go. I know there is EVE, but I am liking this game better.

Also, thanks for the advice.

5 (edited by Sundial 2012-03-03 07:22:11)

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Yeah I don't think its necessarily a bad idea, I just think you shouldn't need to pay for it. While that would be a good incentive for the devs to do it, it still is technically paying for an advantage. I think they should slowly increase the amount of EP new players get as the game progresses.

Also you don't need multiple accounts (which one could argue is paying for an advantage). As long as you are not pushing too much stuff past 8 you can spec into a good bit of different stuff for a low amount of EP compared to people who specialize and push to 10.

A good example is Inda, the dude can fly a Mesmer Mk2 and a Rivaler Mk2. He only has one account and he gets along fine.

Anyways, best of luck to you in perpetuum.

Looking forward to new players and new conflicts.

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-1

I see no need to get EP in the first 2 Weeks, as I think that player should not start too fast.
A 2 week old char has a lot of options for spending the EP, but he has still some decisions to make that has an impact. If that would no longer be the case, why not starting with all skills maxed?

On the other hand side I would not like to see a 300k EP char buying himself more, as he definitiv has allready a lot of EP.

I had to mine with yagel until I had enough NIC for Argano and it was a great gain to get my first Sequer.
Today it is quite easy for new player to join corp where Argano or Sequer is given free for active member.
Given someone a free sequer gives him a lot of possibilities, but eliminates the possibility for him to have the great feeling I had when entering first time an Argano or Sequer.

And actually I really like that this game has no pay-for-win button.

The only thing I would accept is possibility to speed up EP gain for up to ~150k after finishing a starting periode, as 50k and 150k

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-1
I strongly believe there should be NO WAY to buy EP, speed up EP gain or anything like that!
What gives the game a feeling of progression is to slowly gain EP and plan and spend it wisely. You are not supposed to be in a mech, dealing good DPS right away. It's all about putting up long term goals!
I for one, would unsub my account if perpetuum goes P2W.

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Goffer wrote:

-I had to mine with yagel until I had enough NIC for Argano and it was a great gain to get my first Sequer.
Today it is quite easy for new player to join corp where Argano or Sequer is given free for active member.
Given someone a free sequer gives him a lot of possibilities, but eliminates the possibility for him to have the great feeling I had when entering first time an Argano or Sequer.

And actually I really like that this game has no pay-for-win button.

The only thing I would accept is possibility to speed up EP gain for up to ~150k after finishing a starting periode, as 50k and 150k

QFT tho I grinded kernals back when their was a awesome market and drop rate for them to get my first wasp then used my wasp to grind all my indy bots for my indy alt.

There is also the quote from eve "just cause you can drive/fly it doesn't in any way mean you should fly it."
Mechs with low skill will always be out dps'd by an assault with OK skills when killing lights and assaults. Best advice I ever got in perp was from Phalanx he said plan to use a mech 2 months after you buy it cause by then you will have the skills to use it.

I agree with Baal it comes down to you being patient and planning what skills you will boost and having long term goals.

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A bit off topic, just I was showed,

Sundial: "A good example is Inda, the dude can fly a Mesmer Mk2 and a Rivaler Mk2. He only has one account and he gets along fine."

Just to be clear, I cant use any of these things now big_smile  I could but I didnt spend my EP -s now I have 170 k EP actually I thinking what I need to spend.

Now I am specialised to dps Nuimqol. I can use Termis nothing other industry mechs.

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18.01.2014. [12:57:58] <BeastmodeGuNs> after that i remembered all those warning about 1v1 you lol, and i found out why xD

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I don't think it would be a good idea for money.
The problem with that is that it would become semi-mandatory, like navigation 10 is now.
I also don't think that the initial 20K of EP you get is a bad amount, although I may be wrong on this.
I kind of like the progression you get.

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looking on how much exploit-trial accounts i have seen the past two weeks, the 20k Starting EP are already more then good. When i have started the game, i got 1440 EP and had no undo option -> and i have survived.

also, that 40K EP request up there sound fishy... thats what EA accounts got as bonus for pushing the first € into the DEVs wallets, taking the risk of paying for a game that has an uncertain future.

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12 (edited by Zarash 2012-03-04 00:56:50)

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also, that 40K EP request up there sound fishy... thats what EA accounts got as bonus for pushing the first € into the DEVs wallets, taking the risk of paying for a game that has an uncertain future.

Annihilator,

I am not sure what you are alluding to here, but the numbers were just from the top of my head. I have no idea about anything EA.


Yes the 20k ep is a good start for a trial account. I was not talking about trial accounts in the original post, I said only for paying accounts. I am not sure why people keep talking about it for trial accounts.

Also, I was not talking about pay to win I was talking about a 1 time payment. Only 1 time not more then one time. Let me say again just one time.

It more or less would be a little boost for people who first start playing the game or for anyone for that matter. I just think it would help out new players to be more well rounded. That is if they decided to buy the ep.

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Zarash wrote:

also, that 40K EP request up there sound fishy... thats what EA accounts got as bonus for pushing the first € into the DEVs wallets, taking the risk of paying for a game that has an uncertain future.

Annihilator,

I am not sure what you are alluding to here, but the numbers were just from the top of my head. I have no idea about anything EA.


Yes the 20k ep is a good start for a trial account. I was not talking about trial accounts in the original post, I said only for paying accounts. I am not sure why people keep talking about it for trial accounts.

Also, I was not talking about pay to win I was talking about a 1 time payment. Only 1 time not more then one time. Let me say again just one time.

It more or less would be a little boost for people who first start playing the game or for anyone for that matter. I just think it would help out new players to be more well rounded. That is if they decided to buy the ep.

If this fail idea came from the top of your head then please cut off said head to save us further BAD ideas....

The ability to buy EP goes against the "progression" over time system this game has. I highly suggest going to Staples for your official EASY button.....

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If this fail idea came from the top of your head then please cut off said head to save us further BAD ideas....

The ability to buy EP goes against the "progression" over time system this game has. I highly suggest going to Staples for your official EASY button.....

Scylla,

Thanks for the laugh.
LOL 55k total  EP = The WIN and the Staples EASY button.
If you say so....

I am fine with the progression over time system, all I was suggesting was a little jump start. Most games you have to buy from the store at $30 to $60, and get a free month of play time.  I know this is a little over a month for the ep I suggested. Hell bring down the total EP bought a little then. As I was saying it would be an optional thing even for vet players.

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Cant say that I care either way,  but here is an idea from another game

"Blank Chips" are made available for sale from the Syndicate

You can buy one of those chips, and Export your gained EP into that chip, and place it for sale on the market for Nic

Other people can then buy that chip, and Import the EP

Chips can be limited to certain skills, or just a general EP fund

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-1 No buying EP with NIC or money , its game breaking and loses sense of progression. What's this obsession with EP, you just need to wait. I had loads of fun as a low EP player and only 6 islands sometimes more than I do now.

RIP PERPETUUM

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If those 50k EP mean nothing - then this topic means nothing either.

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-1 No buying EP with NIC or money , its game breaking and loses sense of progression. What's this obsession with EP, you just need to wait. I had loads of fun as a low EP player and only 6 islands sometimes more than I do now.

Celebro,

I am not suggesting it be avaliable any time.

Most people that I have talked to say that its takes at least 2 months for a new player to get ok with anything in the game. It would just speed it up by a month. 

If those 50k EP mean nothing - then this topic means nothing either

Annihilator,

It would mean something for a new player starting out as they would get a little extra ep for help in a corp or anything for that matter. Just starting out myself I know it would have helped a great deal. As I said I am fine with the progression. Its just a suggestion thrown out. Like it or hate it, it does not matter to me as it was just a suggestion.

Scyylla's post still cracks me up that was funny.

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From what I remember, the start for new players too slow.  I would in favour one off EP rewards for completing training missions and accelerated EP gain in the first two weeks.  The accelerated gain could start only after subscription (further encouraging people to sub).

Remember when a person just finds the game they are keen to try it out.  If after the first few hours they realise that they have to wait a few weeks before they are of much use at all they may take a break from the game and not come back (its what I did at the start but I came back).

+1
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Ya, maybe they can sell a Monocle for a couple hundred $$ that gives an EP boost for 30-90 days, just a thought.

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Ooo I like that Idea!!

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yeah, the idea is great

let new player reach the point where they dont have to collect a day EP, but a whole month for the next extension (thats where i am atm)

Im pretty sure the new-player-retention will raise!

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23 (edited by Zarash 2012-03-04 21:47:50)

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Thanks you Kaldenines.

Finally someone is understanding what I was meaning. I was just suggesting it for everyone and not just a new player as it makes it fair for everyone. If you just give new players that, and not have the option open for everyone I think that would not be right.

I am around the 2 month stage so I am doing ok right now, but I know it would have helped greatly. I would not have felt like there was no point in even playing for the first 2 months. This game is very different from the lvl up system. 

Maybe a payment plan for extra ep was not the best way to get the suggestion going. Your idea sounds really good. Have the option available to everyone that does the training missions after subbing. So everyone would have the option after doing the training missions of having increased ep for a certain period of time.

I was just throwing out the 55k ep as 2 options so someone that was not sure about playing , or was on a tight budget would probally be able to afford $10. Then later they could add the $20 one if they decided they really wanted to keep playing.

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-1 EP isn't a problem at all. Better to have an option to buy KNOWLEDGE BASE progress big_smile

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Re: 1 time option to buy EP

-1 for any buying of EP but the thread did give me an idea ...

What does a trialist start with these days? Is it 15K. Lets assume it is.

So after 15 days trialist has roughly 36K.

How about reducing initial EP to (say) 12K then giving a 10K EP bonus with first sub of at least 60 days. A subscribing trialist effecitvely starts on 43K EP.

If you've played for 15 days already that 10K EP is going to be pretty tempting for just 15EUR.