Topic: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

DEV, what is going on?
Trial accounts and paid account we could play at the same computer?
Trial scouts at the gates it's normal?

in eve it was fixed because it's cheating.

Please, fix it.
Thx

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

When did they 'fix' it in eve?  I was doing it all the time in eve but that was a couple of years ago.

+1
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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Eve: If there is a trial account connected then there can be no live accounts connected from the same IP address

Perpetuum: Any amount of accounts no matter their type can connect from the same IP.

Pros of EVE system: Stops trial scouts or multi-trials at the same time.

Cons of EVE system: Stops or limits some friends playing together.

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Alexander wrote:

Eve: If there is a trial account connected then there can be no live accounts connected from the same IP address

Perpetuum: Any amount of accounts no matter their type can connect from the same IP.

Pros of EVE system: Stops trial scouts or multi-trials at the same time.

Cons of EVE system: Stops or limits some friends playing together.

about the cons: every browser game has a ticket system to request exceptions for multi-accounts from same IP, and they start to trace your activity - like the game rules forbid trade and combat between accounts from same IP. In games like Perpetuum they could restrict gate camping...


i like the op's idea

+1

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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

+1 @ OP.

Trail accounts are for new players to try out the game. Gate scouts is not their intended use.

RIP PERPETUUM

6 (edited by Shaedys 2012-01-21 22:10:11)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Wouldn't really fix gate scouts, I can just get on an alt, though it might reduce it somewhat.

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DEATH ANGEL wrote:

DEV, what is going on?
Trial accounts and paid account we could play at the same computer?
Trial scouts at the gates it's normal?

in eve it was fixed because it's cheating.

Please, fix it.
Thx

FYI-- This isn't Eve.... Please move along

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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

This wouldn't remotely fix it. It never did in eve.

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Forbid the teleports usage to trials, limit their movement area to 5km from the starter terminal f.e.?

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10 (edited by Kaldenines 2012-01-22 01:26:44)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Shaedys wrote:

Wouldn't really fix gate scouts, I can just get on an alt, though it might reduce it somewhat.

Exactly, the arkhe gate scouting problem should be tackled by changing game mechanics to make it unfavorable imo.  This should also be tied to a v v careful rethink of the probe system.

Introducing the trial account log in limitation may be a step in the right direction however.

+1
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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

just make sitting around a teleporter dangerous. no intended game mechanic asks you to be around a teleporter for more then a few minutes.

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-1 My trial accounts have been protecting miners for monthes now.

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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

+1 I agree, the tp's in norhoop have been scouted by trial accounts for months

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How much of the server increase is down to this trial account abuse. ?

Isn't there enough alts in game as it is.

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Since the creation of trial accounts has never meant to be for abusement (in this case "arkhe gate scouts")
I think, its a problem that should get solved wheter someone likes it the way it is, or not.
Since the only thing I can program, are CNC machines, I really can´t say what solution is less effort, but every effort should be worth solving.

Some ideas that could help:

- disabling any sounds within a certain radius from a teleport
  scouts need to at least look (from time to time) whats happening at the teleports.
- reduce heavily the radar strenght within a certain radius from a teleport
  scouts can´t just sit within the instant jumping range and see anything moving from 1-2km

solutions above can go with the lore as teleports concentrate large portions of energy creating interferences.

Some kind of balancing is still needed within that solutions, to not affect actual (non-abusive gameplay) too much.

- as someone has mentioned above, trial accounts should not be able to get launched multiple times and simultanously with a payed account from the same IP (many other abuses would have been solved)

There sure are lots of other possibilities, solving the trial account abuse, but imo these 3 fit in best with (I hope) not very much effort from the developers side.

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

DEATH ANGEL wrote:

DEV, what is going on?
Trial accounts and paid account we could play at the same computer?
Trial scouts at the gates it's normal?

in eve it was fixed because it's cheating.

Please, fix it.
Thx

Fix your brain.

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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Hunter wrote:
DEATH ANGEL wrote:

DEV, what is going on?
Trial accounts and paid account we could play at the same computer?
Trial scouts at the gates it's normal?

in eve it was fixed because it's cheating.

Please, fix it.
Thx

Fix your brain.

Typical response from the worst abusers of it lol

18 (edited by Rutuli 2012-01-23 10:30:34)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

More uses for trial accs: container guard, noob hauler, nexus mining buffer...20k ep and the ability to trade give trial accs alot of uses

19 (edited by Arga 2012-01-23 18:36:57)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

We have to remember though, that Trial accounts are also for players that are new to Perp, changing the in-game mechanics to limit those accounts is 180 degrees opposite the direction many players felt those trials needed to go to entice those new players to subscribe.

The occurances where a player will run a subscribed and a trial account from the same IP are fewer, but also could be legitament where players are adding a real second, third or other account.

I'd say if anything, limiting by IP would be the less invasive method, but the ability to monitor, detect, and block will take effort to develop, actually any response to this will take some type of effort.

One limitation to in-game mechanic trial accounts, if there are any, should be they can't be on the "probe" list, that will prevent trial accounts created for gate watching after probes are reintroduced.

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Best solution will be to create Zero Island which you can't leave while you're trial IMO

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21 (edited by Obi Wan Kenobi 2012-01-24 08:28:16)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Line wrote:

Best solution will be to create Zero Island which you can't leave while you're trial IMO


OR no trial accounts out side of the alpha 1 islands.... problem fixed.

Edit: crap i made a none trolling post ...... i fail as a troll sad

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Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Alpha 1 islands have teleports that lead to betas and may be scouted from alpha side.

Have a productive day, runner!
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23 (edited by Obi Wan Kenobi 2012-01-24 12:29:05)

Re: Delete launch trial + paid account on the same computer!!!

Line wrote:

Alpha 1 islands have teleports that lead to betas and may be scouted from alpha side.

well imo the whole way inter island TPs are laid out needs to be reworked. As in alpha 1 islands shouldnt connect to any betas at all.

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks tongue

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ? tongue