make random ore respawn, revamp universal scan ammo with artifact scan mechanic to find ores.

i wonder if this one still exists

Now call me cynical but since you've just moved back to norhoop and you're whining because the fields arent as rich as they were on a beta 2, seriously? man up!

+1 Random respawn.
-1 Titan on beta.

If your not going  to add content to the discussion then scurry off.  WTB Titan back.

Titan to alpha did not work because you can live on beta and mine on alpha for free without risk. Even the imba observers have been more risk to random noobs then to those organized alpha miners.

also the distance between beta 2 and alpha island is... one teleport. wow, great incentive to trade and not shooting random trading hauler noob.

wtb no syndicate protection on alpha for most dangerous agents and pirates.

I doubt turning titan back on for beta is going to change many mining habits. There are really only (2) reasons to mine on beta in the first place; (1) Only source of Epitron, and (2) closer to higher refinery.

If a corporation (or individual) doesn't have access to a lvl (3-4) refinery on beta (as lvl 2's are available on alpha), which means having owning a stablized outpost, then there's no advantage to mining on beta for anything other than Epitron.

Really, I'm saying it doesn't matter at this time. On/Off, corps are either mining on beta or they aren't.

The titan fields are still on beta, they just don't respawn. It would be a painless experiement for the Devs to respawn the titan fields and see if there's any change in mining behavior.

I just don't think that will be the case. We had a long discussion of this in a previous thread, and the only thing that will really disincentivize beta corps off alpha for the majority of mining is for the alpha resources to be under pressure from over-mining. This specifically is designed NOT to happen with titan, meaning titan isn't rare and respawns fast enough there shouldn't be a scarcity.

I'll repeat though; Corps either mine beta or they don't. Those that don't mine beta aren't doing it because there's no titan there, its because they can't or won't make beta mining ops as safe as alpha. They are trading combat time for transport time, probably due to lack of manpower.

Looking at it from another angle though; Why is important where the ore is mined? With the new intrusions, there is already enough reason for outpost owners to undock and generate more PVP. Trying to induce more industrial ganks by forcing beta mining is just crap pvp.

There is a logistical advantage to mining close to your level 4 refinery, if corps want that advantage, they'll mine on beta. It they don't, then there's no harm letting them mine on alpha.

When alpha resources get scarce, with more population, then the logistical advantage will increase and more miners will naturally move to beta.

But...

As part of a corp Sun, you don't 'have' to mine eveything. You could mine everything but titan while another corp member, that doesn't have the EP to tank their bot, mines on alpha. Your free of course to want to mine everything on beta, including titan, but from a corporate view it's not an neccessity. And if your mining for yourself/profit then alpha mining is probably better anyway (if less challenging).

Just saying here, that if your mining for your corp and moving resources from alpha to beta (which your first sentance sort of implies) your corporate production is still going to benefit more from getting the closer/denser fields on beta of the other resources, and only hauling titan, then hauling ALL of it to beta. Or, just haul Epi from beta to alpha.

If you enjoy tank mining, then go for it, and arrange someone else to haul titan.

I wasn't really thinking about freelance hauling, more like other corp members.

But it would really be interesting to get a trade alliance going, which may be something we arrange intraplayer and not rely on any game mechanic.

Still, having the hauling distance larger, would provide greater incentives for the beta owners to particiapate. Because they really can just do it themselves.

Isn't there more logistics with mining on alpha? As you mentioned, the fields on alpha are further away and smaller then on beta, and your still needing to transport epitron from beta, which is fluffier then titan even though you need less of it.

But, I'm not actually against titan being turned back on for beta. It's just that your probably in the very minority of players that would move all mining ops back to beta. Even so, while you personally then get to play the way you enjoy, does it really add more to the game to make logistics and production on beta easier?

Simply low server population makes beta mining easier, because there's just less activity.

I used to mine outside of Heydle all the time, and pirates complained then too about us hugging the station and wanting the devs to remove all ore from within 1000m of outposts so they could gank us.

On the flip side, more population can also mean more players in corps to help secure the islands, in which case trade can flurish and then moving titan to beta becomes profitable and that logistic is removed.

Mineral deposits are fine as they are. Better fix I2.0 instead.

I understand why random ore fields could be useful to the defender of an island but don't you think it would suck trying to find an ore and searching for 20 mins before actually mining it?  With 20 active people online I understand that your window of uninterupted mining could  be hours upon hours but what does this do for you if the population jumps back up to 500?  Spend precious Beta time finding an ore is going to be hard pressed if your getting roamed every hour.  Your going to have little time to do anything.