Topic: Quick, CHEAT!

Well, the Devs have made it abundantly clear; cheating won't be punished!

After someone was caught openly admitting to cheating (re: sharing accounts that others were subbing) they got... a sum total of no punishment at all.  A few days ban while the case was busily swept under the carpet.  A vacation, that's all it was.

It's clear that the dev staff don't really care about enforcing their own EULA, so get on it folks!  Cheat up!  The game will last forever as a haven for script kiddies and hackers who won't be touched even when they're caught at it.

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I agree that it's not much of a game when people cheat and the game runners do nothing but comply with the cheaters; however, the ones in which you are talking about seemingly run the show, even if their accounts are ambiguously owned or driven. 

It might be best to voice your concerns on other sites that cater to mmo's, since the devs will simply lock this, since they apparently don't want to hear that they allow cheating.  I think that they think that people might stop playing a game rampant with it.

3 (edited by Lemon 2011-12-13 05:12:03)

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oh Hi Omen nice alt wink


Now as far as content in this thread. I see none, just a cry for attention.

It is forbidden for Players/Dev's/GM's to discuss moderation.

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While I don't think account sharing is ok, there are things such as squad management which can't be done efficiently without account sharing. I have never known anyone to personally do it, I don't think it would really bother me on a small scale because of the huge lack of features in storage/squad management/inventory management in the game.

But when a big alliance does it for an advantage its probobly not ok....

Part of this can be mitigated with better corporation storage system, borrowed bot mechanics, etc. Hint hint devs, all of this needs improving.

Looking forward to new players and new conflicts.

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Lots of things are fobidden, yet they still are allowed.  Go figure. 

The problem isnt a game mechanic, its a loss of faith in the dev team to control some of the basic gameplay elements.  An anology would be giving extra cards to players during a poker game, banning them, and then letting them play the very next hand.  To sit at that table is somewhat stupid if not frustrating.  To voice a concern over that is a far cry from calling for self attention. 

The game itself has given seldom reasons to keep playing, and now, for some, it has given a few reason to leave.  I apologize if that is confused with rage or whining, it is just a simple truth of playing a game.

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It's very 'not ok'.  Something like: 'Oh no... I'm getting my arse handed to me.  Hey EVE buddies, log in here as this account for an hour and give my a nice number of heavily plated suicide bomber mechs/distraction lights/diverisions targets to soften up an objective'.

That's why it's cheating; you could even call it pay-to-win... which speaks volumes.  The next question would be can I buy a Vanguard Mesmer and some more EP?  If the gates are open then what the hell, why not?

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Wait, so am I too understand that people are getting angry over someone account sharing?

...

Why do we care or why is this a big deal?

8 (edited by Segreto 2011-12-13 05:43:23)

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Well, the dev's impotence to regulate their own game mechanic and rules would make a level playing field quite an impossibility in a sandbox game.  At least they made this very clear and didn't try to hide it.  I don't know about 'angry'.  I think players will just come to an understanding of how the game  is being played behind the actual rules.    I have no goals of server domination, so the idea of an entire corp advertising that they break the rules in order to have domination only lessens my belief that the game will get a better population and thus is not worth the investment of my present time.

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Cheating is cheating; you let one thing slide and it becomes normal.  If cheating remains ok then the game is over; mainly because there is no longer a winner or a loser, just a person who doesn't get caught and a person that does.  That is how people begin to see the game and it stops being fun.

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I think I need to make myself more clear, I definitly think account sharing on a large organized scale is unfair. However you can't really say the devs encourage other means to an end by some of the design choices they have made.

Also one person having multiple accounts is essentially paying to win or at least have an advantage.

Looking forward to new players and new conflicts.

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Multiple accounts that an individual has to micromanage is very different to another brain behind another keyboard.

As to the 'encourage other means', it is not relevant.  Doing something that is manifestly wrong does not bear subjective justifications when the wrongness is an absolute; in this case cheating.

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12 (edited by Lemon 2011-12-13 06:54:33)

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Gharl Incognito wrote:

Multiple accounts that an individual has to micromanage is very different to another brain behind another keyboard.

As to the 'encourage other means', it is not relevant.  Doing something that is manifestly wrong does not bear subjective justifications when the wrongness is an absolute; in this case cheating.

Lets go back and talk about your relationship with FOOM.

Could these feelings have something to do with that relation ship, cause it sank.

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14 (edited by Kleus 2011-12-13 07:04:00)

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Nothing new to see here.  Indie mmo needs players playing so cheaters only gets a slap on the wrist.  What did you expect?  EULAs are just scary :words: to keep you in line.  Just like religion does in real life.

EDIT: If you really want/care enough - go to websites like mmorpg.com and etc with posts detailing proof of said cheaters getting away.  This post will most likely be edited/locked/moved shortly as it's not good business practice to let players say that cheating is encouraged on their official forum.

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Lets Assume someones wife possibly logged in to pass over squad lead. 

I for one would say that is not game breaking cheating.

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Lemon wrote:

oh Hi Omen nice alt wink


Now as far as content in this thread. I see none, just a cry for attention.

It is forbidden for Players/Dev's/GM's to discuss moderation.

And I only have 2 accounts Lemon , The Omen and The Omen II and if I was going to post something I wouldn't hide behind an Alt.

17 (edited by Hunter 2011-12-13 07:40:06)

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1) Nice to see such threats from anonymous users.
2) Do you really think your laziness go away with Syndic?
3) I am sure that half of the writing shared their accounts ever.

All right. Let's ban the whole novastrov (just because they too strong). Do you think you can achieve anything? If won't be novastrov - will be the 62nd. If won't be 62nd - will be M2S.

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I think that even if you share/use shared accounts, then you should at least have a brain to not shout about it in all public chats. Foolishment should be punished.

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Lemon wrote:

Lets go back and talk about your relationship with FOOM.

Could these feelings have something to do with that relation ship, cause it sank.

Really?  The only response you have is a lame personal attack? How old are you?

The issue I was speaking of was advertised, systemic cheating; do you support this?  I have no grudge against any groups or idividuals playing this game, unless they cheat.  The simple solution is to play another game; one that deals efficiently and comprehensivly with cheats.

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20 (edited by Mara Kaid Pirate of Nia 2011-12-13 08:18:41)

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Whelp there goes cir's reputation as something proud to be a part of, nice going on leadership. Openly advertising that wasn't a good idea at all. I really wish lemon would directly answer gharl's question, but he seems to be dodging.

do you support this?

I think denial of the answer is more a vote of support.

21 (edited by Alexander 2011-12-13 08:31:00)

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Cheating and any breaking of the rules should never been acceptable.
It should never be encouraged. It should never be used to prove a point.

If I have learnt anything from these past few months it's that one persons actions effect the reputation of everyone around them. If someone chooses to cheat or break rules it is their choice to do so and whether they are supported by those around them of not they should still be brought to justice, as should all parties involved.

This has always been the case when an instance of cheating that can be proven. Where it cannot there is little that can be done other than having that persons reputation lowered, which usually results in others praising them for their actions.

If there was a fail-proof way of saying if someone had or had not shared/sold an account then I would be of the opinion to say that ALL those should be punished equally and fairly in-line with previous levels of moderation and depending of their scale of rule breaking.

There is no righteous cheater. There is no holy player. On some form or level everyone has probably broken a rule here and there. Anything that damages the game is not good. But it seems that right now players will look for any excuse not to play Perpetuum.

Account sharing is a way to escape the EP barrier as well as account specialising vs non-specialising issues. As such this should be considered an exploit. To the same extend owning multiple character even if you're paying for them would also fall into this category but then you have the issue of where to draw the line.

Not only that but with the increase of super cloud processing and services like On-Live becoming more popular we will soon see that multi-boxing and account sharing becomes easier to do and harder to detect while players benefit from this system far more than those not using this system.

To that extend it is likely that games that have a progressive skill increase rather than abilities being based on player performance will struggle to remain fair and honest. To this extend life is unfair and that doesn't stop at the walls to the internet.

There are many grey areas and choosing which side of a line players fall on is a very poor system. It cannot be stopped and it cannot be correctly punished. To that extent people need to consider that sometimes giving power of choice to the larger group of the community doesn't always work and sometimes we so have to accept that these things happen no matter how much we wish they didn't. If you choose to break a rule, no matter how small, it doesn't mean you will be caught but it does mean that further down the line you may be punished for something a long time ago. If you're happy to live those these consequences there is nothing that can be done.

Life will never be fair and nor will the internet. There is little reason to debate this issue further. Everyone that is morally challenged will do whatever they can for any amount of reward. It is usually something that is hard to monitor and regulate. Any cheat or exploit will be always be a risk and not just to you but those that you include in your circles. Keep that in mind next time you do something you know you shouldn't do. But that in no way will stop someone from doing it until it's done.

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*Takes off Troll mask and Tin Foil Hat
*Puts In Monocle

Now Lets pretend what everyone presumed was a Ban was actually a Suspension and a more physical warning than a verbal reprimanding.

Lets also look at the text in which people say he openly admitted doing such actions. He also went on to state he Duped and Hacked. Now we can see here he was most defanitly trolling in general chat as most of the gaming population does.

If we then go and look at the fact of after many reports and investigation that player was found of account sharing  which was openly admitted to being his wife.

I would really wonder how all good things on nia could come to a atomic explosion and crippling halt due to having someones wife swap squad lead from one character to another.


Considering only a Single account was acted upon i think we can all assume only one account was found guily upon Dev investigation. So if ALL of CIR was or if JUST a specific players accounts were shared again PLURAL. We would have seen MULTIPLE actions taken.

Could this maybe being blown out of proportion due to player's seeking to maliciously work the Devs for intervention on a single player? or are you all really that concerned with a Spouse using the same thing that they stated all of there possession are now shared under the laws of matrimony.

Seriously....

* Monocle off

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We are not concerned about one person sharing an account with his wife (that I think would be fine) but when your Corp Openly Advertises to the public about account sharing then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

Direct of CIRs website

Intrusion 2.0 Details

Bit of news for you guys not keeping up to date with happenings in Perpetuum, AC has released the details for the Intrusion 2.0 system on their blog site and so far it's looking interesting!

CIR's plans are same as always, the 15th Crusade is well under way. We hope to see more of you logging in; TS details are available in the General Discussion sticky so drop in and see what all the buzz in Perpetuum is about!

For those of you with no active accounts, we have plenty of accounts available with various levels of EP you can use to try out the game/get the feel for how things are. EVE veterans will find it quite similar but again, very different (being in direct control of your movement is a nice change, and Line of Sight is a huge factor).

So, get in touch and lets keep on steamrolling!

http://www.crimson-imperium.net/news.php

Then how do you explain that that is fair on the rest of the Server ?

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The Omen wrote:

We are not concerned about one person sharing an account with his wife (that I think would be fine) but when your Corp Openly Advertises to the public about account sharing then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

Direct of CIRs website

Intrusion 2.0 Details

Bit of news for you guys not keeping up to date with happenings in Perpetuum, AC has released the details for the Intrusion 2.0 system on their blog site and so far it's looking interesting!

CIR's plans are same as always, the 15th Crusade is well under way. We hope to see more of you logging in; TS details are available in the General Discussion sticky so drop in and see what all the buzz in Perpetuum is about!

For those of you with no active accounts, we have plenty of accounts available with various levels of EP you can use to try out the game/get the feel for how things are. EVE veterans will find it quite similar but again, very different (being in direct control of your movement is a nice change, and Line of Sight is a huge factor).

So, get in touch and lets keep on steamrolling!

http://www.crimson-imperium.net/news.php

Then how do you explain that that is fair on the rest of the Server ?

A Advanced Trial?

Look at the Date, Before the actions were taken against parties found at fault.

Thus we can derive that no, no one has taken advantage of the offer nor will it be valid due to Devs showing there stance on the issue.

However as it appears the server is on a which hunt go ahead and continue chanting around in circle. The big bad witch lives on Novastrov in Danachrov and she is waiting for you.

Go and get her or end your silly little witch hunt.

Im done with this thread. fuuu

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Re: Quick, CHEAT!

Cheating or exploiting is not, nor has ever been tolerated. Accusing other players of cheating is also not tolerated. Please use the ticket system if you have conclusive evidence of either. Closed.