Free for all containers promotes conflict even lone players at the right time an place, can get a reward. I like this.

OMG don't do your own SAP unless you hate your corp, read below

I like how this presents opportunities for small groups raiding the SAPs in an effort to steal loot.  And yes, this mechanic will promote blob vrs. blob warfare, but whatcha gonna do?  Perp is already blob vrs. blob and so are all FFA pvp games.  Can't get away from it, so might as well add in reasons to get involved as a smaller entity.

Also, to Triglav's copypasta - Everyone keeps misreading a key note of the scanning down timers thing.  There's a chance your timer may come up as inaccurate, even with perfect geoscanning extensions.  Besides that... even if timers were unscannable, everyone is gonna have alts near outposts they want to own.  It's the best way to see if SAPs are up.

Finally, no territory control/conquer system can ever be made perfect due to MMO players with multiple accounts/alts and just general metagaming.  I think everyone in this thread should try to remember this important point and not sperg out about spies and alts.

your wrong:

lower stability also means lower refining rate, lower recycling rate, slower production.

yep, but the second blog didnt cancel out that one.

you only said its not possible to "buy" stability. The effect of stability or standing or facility effetivity was untouched in blog2 => blog1 regarding that still valid

Not sure why the scanning thing is such a big issue. First of all the Beta island are all scanned regularly by either randoms, owning corps or enemies. Secondly, the Devs had to create a system that caters to all timezones, having random times for Saps for all outposts means there is a good chance when "you" log on you will probably have a few Saps in your timezone to raid, defend, or capture. This plus the fact that one single Sap cannot make you lose your outpost means you can afford to miss one or 2 when you are not online. This really favours everyone. Holding your own outpost and getting the stability higher means better facilities at you and your corp friends disposal. Its called incentive. With so many Saps occuring at different times you really don't know what to expect in the way of a fight, could be nothing, could be a small roaming gang intent on the loot can, could be a huge blob. This can only promote more smaller scale spontaneous fights .... How is that bad?

I believe the old system meant you could expect a huge blob at the Sap time and its nice to have a variety of combat available (althought the last big fight at Ft Douglas (I think) a few days ago was awesome).

Will have to wait and see once it rolls out, all I see here is a much wider type and variety of conflict and way more strategy involved. Why is this a bad thing?

They really didn't mention any warning model did they? Like "Dear Mr Corp CEO, sir, your damn station that you have 80% stability with is getting pillaged by some pricks, go there and make them stop!"

And I agree  there's too much brouhaha regarding the timer scanning system, it's not the end of the world with it and there are other addressable issues, auras, better sparks, saploot, landmass, POS, getting more players..

As I have said before, currently this system will promote mega-corporations forming to take advantage of the outpost auras + easier timezone defense of SAPs.

Important thing to bear in mind is that this system is just a stepping stone towards fleshed out POS and alliance features. It's not perfect (far from it, I can see at least 2 ways to exploit it), but it's better then what we had before.

Instead of defending at 1 set time with 12+ hours of advance notice, we will see 3-4 day mega-campaigns to destabilize islands. This will require enormous expeditures of stockpiles to dislodge defenders on their home-ground and redline their stockpile.

Activity, logistics, stockpiles and rapid-response CTA's will be most important factor in future.

I've already done all my required logistics so I'm not going anywhere.

Need 1KU haulers ASAP... Devs, make it so!

I would assume its because:

1. To give attackers a chance to take SAP, owners has the advantage of knowing the exact time (much easily), so there would be no need to defend for 1 hour, just take it and move on to alpha. It creates and proves a presence by the defenders on that island, if they can maintain ownership of OP.

2. Corp owner and allied corps are on same level playing field. They all have to prevent enemies taking the SAP.

Note: Owner is allowed to take SAP at the cost of leveling down their own OP ownership.

wouldn't it be better if the outpost owner could actively do the SAP (after all its a necessary maintainence procedure!), but it would take longer then for someone to override it?