No irrelevant; atm there are different ways new players can have accces to espitium lets say, so diferent playstyles can beneffit or be useful, removing it form T1 modules will indeed narow the options, never good option for sanbox.

SO roughlly sumarizing: PvE less apealing, no many independent corps supporting it (supossed target of this change), recycling path extensions useless, i dont rlly see the reason this should be implemented...

Alternative change would be to remove Briochit from T1 modules that requires it, or drop a little the cost in espitium for the modules.

I see people complaining that they cannot make everything in the safety of Alpha islands. Too bad. Alpha islands should in no way be self-sustaining in my opinion, but then again neither should Beta. There should be the constant need for interaction between the islands in one form or another, otherwise things will just stagnate.

Personally as a new player training a character in industry, I welcome this change.

As a method of balance, perhaps change "High Quality Recycling" to raise the percentage across the board.

You don't have titan on beta islands.
You don't have epriton on alpha islands.

While titan was nerfed just a bit ago, epriton was always a thing  you should get from beta.
If some of you people are saying that a big/a substantial amount of your epriton is coming from alpha farming, that means the original idea is not being fulfilled. You don't have to fight for epriton, you can just farm it.

Like I said titan was just lately taken from beta and epriton was always a beta thing. Make it so that while in beta I can't recycle stuff for titan and I don't give a damn because it would be like 0.5% of the needed titan less. I would still need to mine it on alpha or recycle it there, so that would mean a lot more hauling. Not worth it then. Not worth it now.

But having epriton from alpha dwelling and people admitting that 70% of the espitium comes from farming is broken.

But the noob producers won't need epriton to make noob gear. That sensor amp? No espitium to make. That demob? Nope, none needed. Want some T2? Mine epriton on beta.

2 or 3 days ago we roamed a few island for about 2-3 hours before we've found some alive on one of the islands and we don't roam everyday, on all of the island island. Just a hint there. It's not like I am telling you to ninja mine epriton, because it's pretty easy. oh wait, I do. But afk farming is better than having to compete for something.
I like PVE but you can do it just that much.

Don't want to mine yourself via the ninja method? Get some trade agreements, contracts to mine on other people beta islands. Pay guards. Start living on a beta island, I am not even talking about conquering it, just having a scout and a miner out there, doing some epi. Hint: signal detectors. 

I can see them changing the high grade recyclers or giving you the EP back. But recycling will still be used, but not because they need the epriton based commodities, but because that this thing is not needed and we could use those other mats.

If NIC is worthless to me, that doesn't mean its worthless to him. As for the epriton, why give the man a fish when you can teach him how to fish?

Epriton will still be needed like its is now., ,. where issue?
-This its different thing, HG recyling was a viable path for a small copr to feed their espitium needs, mainlly to "produce" some tiered modules so they dont have to relly entirelly on market and to be able to produce light EW, since espitium was introduced long time ago in their req.; now you want to narrow the possibilities to ninja or bow simplly to have basic espitium needs covered, give to those who choose more time before they jump to beta.
-Ppl defending this kind of changes are a nice view of who will beneffit the most; ppl that not only dont have the need of nic, nor mats nor anything more, seems only thing left for them its just make newcomers harder to catch them. I cant agree.
-Myself i have done all , HG recylce, buy permits to mine, ninja. And i feelt back in the time that HGR gave me a alternative route that would help me to deal with the excesive EPI prices that Beta coprs play with, it would not make me selfsufficient by any chance althou ofc.
-What for? so newcomers can produce T1 items that are alrrdy feeded by pve?, like should be as you cant make t1 prototypes and are much expensive to craft than t2; alternative could be removing the espitium form those who are not dropped by npc´s mayb., like shields and so (wich are actually a good product for new industrials now).
TBH i dont see how this would help new industrialist, if that its the real purpose of these changes.

I bet my boat no beta corp sells T1 sensorp amp on maket.
If u make it even cheaper to produce; those that actually are trying to get some cash selling unlooted T1 modules, may very well stop doing it. And no only that; HGR gave a posibility to craft t2 and t3 modules; now only "beta=i-never-hit-public-market" will be able to do them. Can u hurt more the market?

edit to note again that HGR does not give acces to aligior, the real "key" comodity that gives acces to any robot that stands on their feets, so dont fear the alpha recyclers.

Recycling lower level stuff to make higher level stuff is a loop-hole, plain and simple. I'm glad it is being fixed and I'm an "Alpha noob".

We get plenty of epi ninjaing. Also, Kent and Dom are the only really zombie islands, but if you get used to the tz of the various corps you figure out when is clear and when ain't.

Or in my case, when an island is dull and when it ain't.

We consume a prodigious number of mods and bots every week what with the high frequency of roams. Usually drops can't keep up. So the change benefits us. Not sure what the rest of you are complaining about. Not like you're actually producing any useful volume with your recycled epi.

I don't really get the aversion to beta. An insured t1 fit argano costs peanuts. Go out and get some yourself.

So we should make everyone stay on alpha and only show up on intrusions or pvp roams (what to roam then huh?).

The new guys aren't used to being able to safely do everything on alpha and see the change as something beneficial. The idea behind epriton was to be able only get it in great amount from beta and here we have smokey with 70% of it from recycling alpha farmed mobs. R I MAD? Not really, the new change will make you have to appear on beta more. Or someone else who will get paid for doing that. The old alpha dwellers are very fixed on how they want things and nothing to change.

"So what if a dedicated alpha corp gets together to farm for recycling needs?" Nothing, but why not sit on beta for an hour?

"Just because it's not your way, doesn't mean it's broken!" Looks like it's not only my way, but also the way dev's want it, and the NeX guys (or at least part of them) want it and possibly other people who can't fit a sensor amp because it costs 300k.

If the NeX guys don't agree with anything I said or the way I quoted them: please go ahead and say so.