1 (edited by bigsteve 2011-05-05 04:17:39)

Topic: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

I am TRYING to calculate the cycle time of industrial modules which i am adding to an excel fitting sheet, but for the life of me cant get the formula to match the ingame calculation.

Here is the info i am using..

Adv Robotics                             20%
Basic intensive mining               5%
Advanced intensive mining        6%
Expert intensive mining             0
Intensive HDT exploitation        2%

Total                                         33%

Ingame Miner Cycle time            12.0

Ingame Fitted Cycle Time           8.40sec

Calculated Cycle                         8.04sec

How exactly are the percentages taken away from the module??
Am i doing my calculations wrong???
is there a special way the game does it calculations??

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

browse this section of the forums...

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3 (edited by Shaedys 2011-05-05 07:16:21)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

12*0.8*0.95*0.94*0.98 = 8.4
or
12*(1-20%)*(1-5%)*(1-6%)*(1-2%)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

just woke up, Thanks for the info...

Oh my, what a weird way to do it, i have a degree in maths and never would of done it that way, i suppose that's coders for you...
Although i have a feeling why they do it that way.  i'll let you know if my theory is right...

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

they could have made it even more complicated with some dimishin returns formulas like the armor resists work (which is IMHO harder to understand then to simply multiply all bonuses)

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

After looking at my data again I used the wrong miner base cycle time, i use T1 (12secs), but had T3 fitted  (8.40) to my Term (now find that having a charge makes no difference to the cycle time)....

so its:
Adv Robotics                            20%
Basic intensive mining               5%
Advanced intensive mining        6%
Expert intensive mining             0
Intensive HDT exploitation        2%

Total                                       33%

Ingame Miner Cycle time            11.0

Ingame Fitted Cycle Time           8.40sec

Hung. Math.
11*(1-0.02)*(1-0.05)*(1-0.06*(1-0.02) = 7.7012

Still not right

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7 (edited by Annihilator 2011-05-05 23:42:54)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

lol, and i wondered why that formular of shadys gave you the right outcome

so, why didnt you just follow my first advice?

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … s-x1bonus/
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … ification/
...

btw - is that cycle time of yours with or without HDT ammo in that mining laser?

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

now that i have had a chance to rummage though all those threads and grab the formula

I am still not getting the correct ingame result...

11/(1+0.05+0.06+0.00+0.02+0.20) = 8.27

then i remembered that when the Charge is loaded the cycle time stays the same, So

11/(1+0.05+0.06+0.00+0.00+0.20) = 8.40  BINGO!!!!!

So apparently there might be a bug with Intensive mining charge Extension cycle time not being used.

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

thats possible.

also, the last extension (ore specific extensions) is always seperated as *(1+bonus)^(-1)

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Just tested it, ore specific intensive mining extensions do not work indeed. (#3361)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Is it a big issues to fix???

ie how long till its done?

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

If the server was in america, we would sue for ore from all the lost cycles over the last 6 mo ...  wink

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

I don't think it was broken for 6 months, probably broke with the expansion patch like everything else smile Fixed soon.

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

With the transport mission bug too please smile

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Sweeeeeettt the fitting excel sheet is working like a charm.

Now for another quandary...
Mining Amount % and Which Hungarian Maths is being used now??

You would not believe the way that it is calculated, something like a percentage of a percentage plus a percentage.

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Completed the % amount mined last night.

Figured out the % harvested amount this morning and found out that the Extensive Plant Extensions are bugged.

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

bigsteve wrote:

Completed the % amount mined last night.

Figured out the % harvested amount this morning and found out that the Extensive Plant Extensions are bugged.

oh really? since when?
should be exactly the same as the mined ammount and was not bugged before this patch.
I'm a bit far away from any harvestable plant, but i will test it later

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

i have tested it,

Had Level 1 Extensive helioptris harvesting which harvested 677, increased to level 2 and the same amount was harvested...

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19 (edited by Shaedys 2011-05-13 21:51:18)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

On the subject of Hungarian Mathmatics, what is the formula for Shield Ratio and why doesn't it factor in surface size for the displayed value?

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

let me look into it, ill have to obtain some modules to compare numbers

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

true, the plant-individual extensions are broken... again.

gonna make a Bugpost about it

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22 (edited by bigsteve 2011-06-09 22:40:09)

Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Shaedys wrote:

On the subject of Hungarian Mathmatics, what is the formula for Shield Ratio and why doesn't it factor in surface size for the displayed value?

i have worked how its all done, and added it to the sheet.

On a different note,
Any one got a clue how the NEXUS bonuses are worked out?
For Indy:
Base Value is 2%
with level 8 Extension Bonus is 9.84%
For Fast Ex:
Base Value 2%
with level 8 Extension Bonus is 9.26%

No matter how i have the formula i cant get this value.....

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Indu nexus:

1- (1-0.02)*(1-0.08) = 0.0984 = 9.84%

Fast extractor:

1- (1-0.02)/(1+0.08) = 0.092592592592592592592592592592593 ~ 0.0926 = 9.26%

note: fast extractor is a cycle time reduction - they always working with (1+bonus)^(-1)

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

Thanks Dude,

Any chance you have the formulas for the other ones, ppllleeeaaassseee!!!!!

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Re: Please Tell me about Hungarian Mathmatics...

sorry, im only doing formulas on the data you provide here on forums, or data of things i can check ingame

only got speed and accu nexus trained.

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