Glad to be of service. Assaults are meant to kill mechs.

If I had to wait the time to get the points so can you, in addition you can always tackle and be very useful in these kind of games.

1st falacy - the game wants as many people as possible. This is an indy release, and while we need more players in the game, we don't need or want players that require everything just handed to them.

2nd falacy - buying ep will make them more money. Currently subscribers are sub'd up even though they are not active because if you don't you can never get that ep back. If it was possible to buy ep, these subs would just sit out and wait to see if they wantes to come back, and if everyone can be 'equal' just buy paying a few $'s those subs won't come back. This is because your suggestion breaks the persistant world, which is a key element to sandbox games.

Last but not least, for the love of god, progression is not bot dependant! Just because your in a mech does not mean an I win button for any other bot weight.

If you don't like a persistant world with real consequnces to your actions, then this isn't the game for you. Give it some time though, I think you'll be surprised at how much satisfaction making progress that actually means something will make you enjoy the game.

It is a simple solution; ability to pilot a light ewar bot = ~2k EP. That is 1.5 days worth, including Spec Ops 1 & minimum requirements for Demobilizer.

Nobody should start playing PVP in this game in a Mech; you do not yet understand the ins-and-outs of what will rip you apart and what you can rip apart.

The main difference between someone who played in Beta and someone who played since release and someone who played since yesterday isn't the EP; it is the intangible experience you have gained through a thousand battles.

As benefit of my little experience, Navigation should be 10. Always. Do not even consider PVP without it, thankfully those of us that remain and new players do not need to listen to more of ECORP's drivel how Navigation 5 is adequate. Why don't you know who or what ECORP is? They got overran by those with Navigation 10, kicked off Beta, and disbanded.

Your EP will only help you one to one. This game isn't about duelling. A player with 60 minutes experience and EP can win a battle of 30 vs 30. With a little willingness to scout you're in the right place, right time, right intel to the right people.

Team game, simple as. Rely on your squad leader, fellow agents, your aggression and your wits. Definitely not your EP! As for indy / miners - not my thing.

There are many solo titles available to cater for those who are impatient.

I was wondering how long that old EvE fallacy was going to take to rear it's ugly head. You don't need tons of EP to pvp well in this game. Just experiance and the right bot for the right job.

All I smell here is Q.Q

I am very pleased to see everyone else in agreement that there is no much thing as "Way behind" in this game. Only the ability to do more things. A 1 day old character can be in a T4 fit assault and PvP'ing. I should know as I did it with a new account recently. From there I've spent probably another 30k EP and I don't feel like the character has improved at all. The small percent more damage or longer range or even rate of fire isn't noticeable against.

The only extension that is a requirement for most PVP is Nav 10. The 71+ KPH limit you speak of is usually because when roaming the mechs going 80+ will always arrive at the fight, kill and move on before you've even got halfway. For defenses speed doesn't matter but then you've probably never been to a defense or had anything to defend.

If you want to go on "Roams" despite them now being a total no show and Intrusions being the only way to get any form of PvP all be it blob PVP then train for small ewar.

Or better yet, go on holiday for a few days if limit EP is that annoying. Don't train ANYTHING above 5 for the first month unless you know what you're doing or it's Nav 10. You'll be able to get all extensions and more to 5 within the month.

With the possible exception of long distance electronic warfare which is p essential for tacklers to have at 9

In the first month of the game you may think that you know what you're doing but in fact you don't so just don't train extensions beyond lvl 5

Let me guess. You didn't start playing WoW after the first expansion because people were higher level then you?

Or you didn't play shadowbane because people that started with the game had cities already built?

Or you didn't start playing UO because people already had 7x gm characters.

How have you been able to continue living in life competing with those people that were gasp... born before you... and have managed to parlay their age into a bigger paycheck!?

People will start before you, people have an advantage, and it takes time to make that advantage not such a big deal. You've been playing for a month, give it another month and the advantage they have will matter less, another month and they'll have a negligible advantage even if highly specialized...

First, I wasn't going to respond to your obvious troll post, however there is one thing in it I can use to illustrate my point well.

You want to use WoW as an example? Okay, I played WoW unlike all the other games you mentioned.  I played from vanilla through lich king on and off with 6+ mos gaps.  I was always able to be competitive after some catch up time.

Why is that? Because WoW makes everyone start their gear grind over again with every expansion (maybe not Cataclysm, since if you were actually reading which I doubt, I never played it, WoW jumped the shark quite some time ago) which levels the playing field for everyone to a degree.

Sure people who were already at cap with 900 million GP and raiding guilds to carry them have an advantage over someone who just started playing, but that person can eventually catch them in gear and effectiveness on the battlefield (I was all pvp, BGs and open world primarily); and in a reasonable amount of time say a month or 2 if they're hardcore.

This game has a much steeper time curve and no evening-the-field mechanisms.  You may eventually be able to cap out ALL the skills that would give you an edge in a particular bot but it will take many months to do so.  This is particularly exacerbated by the bot bonuses with their multipliers and the extremely high cost associated with them.  Add that with the generic weapon skills, firing, dispersion, etc and say a rich Beta corp and newbies who are probably on Alpha are hopeless.

I think the developer response will and has been basically been "it's balanced in groups" .. which is sort of true, generally speaking the larger group wins assuming they have a good mix.  That would be fine if it were the only pvp in the game, however it's hilarious that at the same time they promote big group fights with everything from nexus modules to the paper/rock/scissors color wheel but then say they're working on the "blob problem" that their mechanics have created.

To me, if bots were more balanced 1 vs 1, you'd see less groups because, especially newbies, people would feel like they had a decent shot alone.  Right now the only people with a chance solo are the early access people who are fitted in t4 from their rich corps, you rarely see any one else try it.

Bottom line is, new people are pretty much encouraged not to play past the tutorial since no matter what kind of mission you're running they turn tedious fast and offer no real benefits outside of the little money/exclusive ammo you get unless you're production.  Given this model I'm really surprised they haven't had recurring subs added yet, it's the pay but don't play model that's been created and is exactly what a large number of people are doing.

You know, if you want to fight us one on one for fun, and your alliance leaders wont let you come out to play because you're not "experienced enough", we have fairly new players you can match against and they'll come on the island and fight you. Contact me, and I'll send a guy who will get on the island and find you, and fight you for fun. No smack, just fun stuff. He can make it a game so you can have fun.

I'm really sorry that you can't engage in pvp without having proper/alliance level skills. That kind of takes away from the game, and reinforces bad attitudes towards pvp. Part of the pvp experience is going out and working with other people and there are lots of ways to get tackles/use skill to help compensate for lack of speed. We have guys in our corp without nav 10, and they still come out and have fun. When they die they had fun, and oh well in another week or so they'll be fine.

In fact your corp leader last time killed one of our guys because he didn't have nav 10 yet, but we let him go out. He was fine with it, and I was too. He had fun going out even though he didn't have nav 10.... he lost 1 light bot, but we've killed several mechs, assaults ect using him as a team.

Again sorry, and from a proud TOG member you're welcome to ask the 62nd to give you some fun fights. We'll make sure we do it even, my word.

oh one of our friends in another corp said you can use a half fit yagel and have fun, try this fit with low skills(nav 5-7 should work, and your group should have t3 lwf, and t2 lasers):
2 t2 lasers, 1 t3 lwf, 1 amp, should get good speed, and exchange for demob / says this works.