Wjat kind of tackler do you outrun with under 120? edit: nvm

Yes, mech who fit T3+ speed mods are supposed to outrun light bots with standard T1 modules.

Nothing and nothing should outrun tacklers barring other tacklers with better fits/extensions.

I have a good idea this post was caused by recent events where my 80kph kain ran down ECORP's 4-man light bot squad with T1 fits and got a few more notches on its belt.

But could be just me.

Certainly fits the EP and character progression. And tbh, they do cost so much more to make then mechs so its only fair that they are the best & fastest & toughest bot in game. They are the end-game after all.

hmm, in one topic, mechs are to weak against small/assaults -
now they are to fast?

wonder when the shield-is-to-powerfull-topics raise again.

Last time my LWF fitted mech died was 8th of February, 03:53 AM. When was the last time you died?

Hmmm... sec, checking trophy list.

Ah. 22nd of February, 08:45:24 AM.

Your run-down skills are certainly impressive. I pray you continue to teach them to your fellow pirates, so far the historical accuracy is perfect.

and if the mech has missiles? supress him.

please don't derail the topic again into an "whats your intentions to bring this up" discussion.
It doesn't matter why someone started a topic - only facts, evidence and suggestions matter.

And so a new era has dawned on to PU.  Of course months ago we predicted this would happen.

Let it be said that on 2-21-11 we officially moved from the era of nerf-ewar to nerf-mechs.

THREAD NECRO!
Bwallahhhh.. Braaaaaains.

If you think speed mechs are an issue you should really look at what 10 to 20 tanked lights can do with about 5 speed tackle. So that's 5 people going 120+ KPH. and 10 to 20 people going around 60 KPH with the same armor each as a LWF mech. If you get caught with your pants down (Meaning a group of 4 to 5 mechs) then as long as the tackles are using terrain and perhaps even a remote repair or two behind them you will die horribly.

If you have 5 to 10 tanked mechs the other side just turns around and goes "Whoop whoop.. Bye bye." And that's PVP. You need as many tackles as you do DPS and that seems really badly balanced. This also just promotes gank squad which I personally love as they're super effective but I am sure many will hate because they really can wipe you out over about a week if you're trying to do something.

Mechs are not the issue the "More tackle beats tackle" is the issue. We've fixed every other instance of "Bring more" apart from tackle. Instead of light robots being more anti-assaults wouldn't it make more sense for lights to be the DPS anti-ewar? Due to their size you need assaults and not mechs to kill them. Then all the ewar has to do is turn around and run away. If you're fighting something fast you should be using tackles. Tackles should be 1/4 of a squad minimum.

It means new players have a huge role in the game but it does mean the "me want big robot!" people get left out. Sometimes smaller with a few mech support is all that's needed. When you think of mechs being like tanks and light robots being like a person and then compare that to how a fight should go mech vs light. If two ewar can kill a speed mech (Yes, that's still possible. All you need to do is fit the ewar out and not be just tackle) then I don't think mechs should get even more of a speed nerf.

Then do a cost breakdown. Robots are not that expensive in the game, equipment is and the only equipment you "Need" to be T4 are demobs for the tackles and LWF. Everything else can be standard. If that's the case then something is very wrong with this games balance. LWF should have been modules that burn energy or even burn your armor for more speed as a last resort to catch the enemy. If you then used this to "Burn away" you'd be hurting yourself as you could risk running out of energy or armor. Then if it was energy based an Ictus would be more useful. Also fitting these on "Tackle" robots will be at some point they will either run out of accumulator (Videos have proven people can't accumulator manage) and with any luck will run out just as your tackles turn around and get them. It would be nice to see something have a lot longer demob range. Either a mech or an assault get a 5% to demob range per level but even that's not going to be long enough to make a sniper demober.

P.s. Lower the weight of suppressors too. ECM is usually more favorable. Suppressors are pretty useless in a large fight.

Im not talking about balance "light bots vs mechs". Im talking about the balance "tank mechs vs speed mechs". Speed fitted mechs are much more horrible pain in the *** than light bots roams.

What tanks mechs are made for? They are useless at PvP. The only one situation they are in use is Intrusions. But I dont want to use speed fitted mech! Im russian afterall! I like supreme firepower!

So the problem is that 5 speed mechs will kill 5 tanked mechs even without taking damage. If there is ewars to catch them they will be killed first with one focused alpha. Meh, do not want! Only zenith have chances to stop them, but he will be killed first for sure.

I want to play as I want to, not as everybody else forcing me because of imbalanced mechanics!