EM guns vs lasers, the huge imbalance. (Page 3 of 5)

Seems about right, obviously lasers need to use less AP or their bots need bonuses to make up for the insane ap usage. EVE for example has a bonus on all laser ships that makes lasers use 50% less energy at max skill level. It could be considered a wasted bonus, but then if you consider that lasers have a better hit disperson, it's not so much of a wasted skill as it is a method of keeping lasers and EM guns balanced.

So one way to fix that is give all laser primary turret bots a 5% reduced AP use on lasers per level, maxes out at 50% less ap used by level 10. Give them that instead of the crappy shield bonus, and change the tracking bonus to something useful such as AP recharge rate or armor repair amount (5% per level). Using this method you wouldn't need to change lasers themselves atall, but alter the laser bots bonuses instead. We all know laser bot bonuses need re-working anyway.

Turret based laser bots would then have 3 bonuses, 5% less ap use on laser per level, 5% more laser damage per level, 5% armor repair amount or 5% max ap per level.

This fixes lasers and the bot bonuses,  kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Instead of messing around with the stats on guns, just fix the laser bots bonuses to make lasers worth using on a laser bot.

One thing I do worry about though like this, is players with a low robotics skill will find they can't use lasers without running out of AP, they'd need like level 8 robotics just to get AP use on lasers to a sustainable level.

Last edited by Sinister (2010-01-14 23:57:43)

Thats good...

Now lasers got atleast some gap in range where they can out damage EM

Also make laser bots have 5% more armor HP/level rather than armor rep bonus.

Last edited by Siddy (2010-01-14 23:56:11)

also lol laser range advantage????

where?

no, srsly, where is it?

Last edited by Siddy (2010-01-15 00:05:10)

Kain vs Artemis

Same guns as above, but only 4 of them.

Kain: core is stable around 60%.
Artemis: core is depleted after 150 seconds.

(Yes, Kain has also 2 missile slots and Artemis only 1, but that is countered with an additional headslot where you can put a weapon tuning.)

And the extra weapon tuning bring AP usage even higher

Weapon tuning increase rate of fire, lasers already drain ridiculous amount of AP every 3-4 seconds, which kills their AP in around a minute. Now imagine 2-3 weapon tunings, or the 8% named ones.... that much ROF increase just means their ap will go even faster.

As for missiles, haven't tried them but i looked into their stats and missiles seem fairly good, they slaughter light bots, even the medium missiles have no problem with killing light bots fast. AP use on missile launchers is tiny.

Yes EM race have a factional advantage over missiles, they do the most damage to their weakest resist, just like missile bots do the most damage to lasers weakest resist, and lasers do the most damage to EMs weakest resist.

Last edited by Sinister (2010-01-15 16:27:42)

So basically what you're saying is that lasers used too much energy in EVE, so it's ok if they use too much energy here, even if that does make them underpowered and make them suck. READ totally unusable for anything other than a fast 1 minute fight, forget PVE or extended pvp fights.

Last edited by Sinister (2010-01-15 18:58:30)

people that contributes such insigtful observations and oppinions are the thing that keeps me going trought my days.

Only thing that seems somewhere close to be balanced is seth. Good thing that Maynard asked for 10lvl extensions since now we can see that hit dispersion on EM-guns loses its weight on balancing since they hit with full damage on targets they are ment to hit.

This post is quite interesting, but ...
No info on missiles mechs, that have i think same to better range, and a laughing ap consumption of 2?
The better weapon really seem to be the missiles launchers.

So, in my opininon, Lasers are almost "bugged" right now, because they really do drain too much energy. Really cant understand why some players still use them ...

I made an account for testing missiles a while back and finally got enough EP to start the test. So far missiles seem the best by far because I am slaughtering npcs in PVE and my core is stable enough that I can run my armor repairer whenever I want and never take a break from killing for AP.

The npcs i'm killing are 3rd star assault bots and i'm soloing them dead from start to finish in 15 seconds.

Sick sick sick, my new missile character kills rookie mantis in basically volleys, that's about 60-70 damage per hit with small sonic compact missiles, with crappy standard missile launchers, and has a 5 second rate of fire. I've also barely touched his missile skills.

Meanwhile, my laser character, who has a full set of best named small lasers takes 7-8 volleys to kill one and just one kill removes almost 50% of my AP. My missile character is at full AP all of the time unless I choose to turn the repairer on.

And on top of this, once my missile character is better trained, i'll be able to fit an energy drain on him, then he'll not only have infinite energy in any 1v1 fight, but he'll drain his opponents energy too. What if it's pvp and the opponent has EW you say? That's ok, my missile character will bring his own head slot EW too and totally overpower the opponent with his combined head slot EW, misc slot EW (energy drains) and good dps at basically no energy cost. Unless of course i'm fighting another missile bot, then it's a fair fight.

Last edited by Sinister (2010-01-17 15:29:33)