Sorry Jita, ive got boosters rolling for the next 90 days.

What do you care about beta anni? your in a one person corp that hasn't been active in 3 years.  You only once showed up to any pvp.  You think more of these dead vet corps with two active ninja sappers should own a station they couldn't possibly defend?

Nothing is more cool than continually asking for game changes for a game you just don't play.

No undocking once for pvp in the least 3 years, and no hanging out in chat for a few days doesn't make you active.

Vets need to stop clinging onto their dead ancient corps, get in with the noobs, and perhaps try to make a coherent and organized corp that could actually do something against the 20 people who own the game world.

That's right, 20 damn people, and that's on a good day.

Look I hate the current sap mechanics more than anyone, it just promotes inactivity, and casues people with no intentions of ever holding a station to take saps only if no one else is around. 

Beta politics will change once the rest of the server, mostly the vets like you who are inactive and cling to dead corps, get involved with the game again, and when sap mechanics change to promote fighting for stations.

And if you cant get 20 people together to fight us, that's a problem for your side not ours.  This game has many times more active players than 20 (despite its typically 5-10 for us usually under 10)

NSE is the only upstart corp in game?

Ok lets pretend they are.

Perhaps picking a fight with bad veterans might be a bit better?

Sorry im still dumbfounded how when given free reign of an island the new players always all ally up to make it a pve zone then complain they have no one they are able to properly fight.

I know you've been told by other failed vets that we are some massive unstoppable blob-zerg that cant be dealt with due to our massive numbers and all...but the corp size info graphic states quite a different story, and the fact is weve had a small number of players for some time now, and our numbers are well known...as is our fleet composition....the fact that no one has yet to make a counter fleet is disappointing, not even JOKE and the mega zerg this summer tried to make a counter fleet (other than gate games with short range tank fleets I guess...though that wasn't a counter fleet.)

You guys are not going to stop us by making and remaking disorganized and fractured mega alliances and fighting no one else but us....Youll never have proper enemies allied up with 99% of the server (even if its not official allies you guys need to fight people your level of skill to get at least a baseline of skill)

We tried twice to create this, luckily CONS took somewhat advantage of the opportunity the first time, unfortunately their leadership bailed some time ago.

On top of that, the vets in game cling to their dead and failed corps of the past rather than forming one organized and coherent corp to help noobs.

Holding hands, gifting stations, and trying to help doesn't and hasn't worked.  Only thing left is to play as normal and hope someone with brains and leadership rises us and a real pvp corp is reborn from the ashes.  Not holding my breath though.

Yeah shame there isn't an option to...you know...not be allied with every damn corp in game other than us....

this might sound like crazy talk, but perhaps you should fight with the other upstart corps, rather than wishing the most organized group of 20 players in game didn't have mk2 bots.

Ill be honest with you, doesn't matter the class of bots we use, that's not the root cause of your guys inability to beat us.  It has more to do with organization, tactics, and leadership than it does with the type of bot we use.  Its a hard pill to swallow, but if the game was nothing but arkhes, we would still be on top...

You wont get to the higher class of pvper status by asking the devs to make it so, and to beg them to nerf what we can use.  Others have tried this.  The only path to pvp salvation is to gain pvp experience via fighting all the other corps on the same skill level as you, and to grow into a vet pvp corp by experience.

If all your pvpers would be granted MK2 heavy access with free t4 fittings the resulting pvp would be just the same as when we fought the other vets.  Joke/STC/REMEDY/FNAVY ect.  EP and bot class doesn't make for a win or loss unless the organization and player skill as a team are equal.

Its a truth none of the newer players want to accept...unfortunately.

They had this games only chance for a wipe before steam, it would be impossible now to wipe....also I would like to point out that Celebro is right. 

CIR/77 isn't on top due to EP.  A wipe isn't going to have the effect on the new players that would make them competent at pvp...only experience will do that.

Active players are the problem?

+1 race drones for community manager

Get in TS if your going to post on the forums, you know the rules.  TS for forum posting or you get kicked from out forum squad clubhouse.

Failure.

This patch buffed noobs.

Your beloved assaults can now contend with heavies.

The vets got screwed, specifically ictus pilots and some green bots.

I love all the QQ's more than anyone here but the noobs should be dancing in the street right now, all your assaults are now badass.

The noobs are crying about new skills, however the new skills only require a 400-ish EP investment to use any bot, even the mk2, even the mk2 heavies, and all those skills do is stack on bonuses that were not present before. 

Its win win for lower EP accounts.  Vets it doesn't matter for a lot of them, they have multiple roles decked out.

The people who got hurt by this were people who were specialized in one role that got nerfed into the ground.

But hey, last time there was a major balance change that saw lots of bots become useless there wasn't even an option to respect EP.  Its not even as damaging to players as the follow bot nerf that saw anyone with support bots get a major nerf, and people who relied on multiple support bots couldn't use them as before, rendering lots of their accounts 100% useless.

Give it some time an im sure some balance will seep out there....it sucks seeing what was the only use for certain bots be taken away...but to be honest, for the newer players, getting those assault buffs more than makes up for it.

This is the same problem the new players have with pvp.  Just because the vets are upset doesn't mean you should.  Just like how the whiney vets all cried about having to destroy us saw you all jump on that bandwagon.  The whiney vets should be avoided and left alone.

I want relative powerdness

rolafen how can I relative powerdness?

holy sht even Zortarg is swinging punches at Jita.

I vote no to the poll.