Ville wrote:

There is 52 pages of I TOLD YOU SO.  Feel free to read it.

Just found that thread its still 51 pages of corp dialogue but it does show the amount of debate it has drawn. Maybe this is why the devs havent opt'd to try and work on it since their doesnt seem to be a communally agreed upon solution or a consensus that there is a problem with it at all.

Maybe time for a revist and new thread to try and cut to the chase, as it were?

and you will need sparks on gamma for what exactly?

to be able to jump between your three terminals with your whole combat force because else you would not be able to defend them while  also attacking other gamma bases AND also doing your alpha exploiting (your words)?

does that mean you need those sparks because:
1. you are not strong enough to hold a gamma base
2. gamma or beta is not worth living there, which leads to situations where you have no presence in agents to defend your little base?
3. you think an attacker needs to travel to your base to attack it, but you need to be able to instant-teleport there to defend it in case someone takes advantage of youre force "not beeing home".

This is the balancing thread, not corp dialogue. What makes you think spark teleport is balanced? What makes you think it isnt? You are the one making about metagaming and politics.

You guys do realize that if sparks get removed you'll spend less time playing craft the world and more time hauling your gear around the world in circles as we chase stuff around from base to base right?

Sparks were actually implemented because there was no remote trade management, contracts or any other sort of remote asset management.

Syndic wrote:

The bottom line is that the EWar nerf will go in regardless, and EWar will be probably worthless when considering cost of bot versus what it actually contributes to the fleet. At that point, 6 different compositions that currently suffer against EWar will become available, and then we break the game so thoroughly it will take years to unravel the balance mess.

For each mechanic nerf, 3 will become overpowered.

Until we're back to who can field more people.

3 fights and excuses about lags and DDoS after that, there won't be anything left to do except turn it into a 10v10 lobby shooter like world of tanks.

And I believe the word you are looking for is "Useless" not "Nerf".

Burial wrote:

Masking, speed, range, no LOS. What do you mean by completely vulnerable to DPS bots?

EWar bots with your proposed 'balanced' changes won't be able to do anything to stop DPS bots from killing them in a matter of seconds for being the glass-cannons as they are. LOS/masking/range don't matter in any way if there is a mech on your ***, you won't be able to stop it or delay it IN ANY WAY.

Basically, EWar pilots are pure PvP pilots. They ONLY thing they are useful for is PvP - their specialty is not needed in any other department of the game, not even ratting, because it is a lot more sufficient to bring an extra DPS bot. They can't farm, they can't make money, they are existing only by the support of others for the services they provide. If they don't have a miner account/DPS account, they cannot exist outside of corporation and outside of PvP - and I know quite a few people who only play a single dedicated EWar account. With your changes, by fitting 1-2 ECCM modules and putting 10-20k EP into ECCM skills, you want to render people who specced into this only role USELESS in the only field where they can do something.

It will basically destroy ANY need for those robots to be played by people and fielded in PvP, as they will be substituted by much better possible alternatives. IF those changes ever go live, free respecs must be handed out to accounts with skilled EWar, because they will be left useless in the ONLY area where they can have some use. And, EWar bots will also require a significant buff in some other area if they get nerfed EWar-wise, otherwise those bots will never be produced and bought and sold and fielded again. No new players will spec into EWar either, as when even veteran skills are going to be lackluster in the case of your suggested changes, newbie EWar pilots are just going to be a complete waste.

Also, EWar has NEVER been a problem - only several special people (or rather, a group of people) are rooting for those changes since a certain period of time. With that, devs also need to remember that on forums only a MINORITY of community is present (it is the same for the most games out there), and a MINORITY of that MINORITY is strongly trying to force these changes upon ALL OTHER players in-game. It is going to have huge repercussions if the bigger picture is actually taken into account - balance is only a small part of the question here, it is a question of gameplay, game design, and character development.

I never use ECM tuners.

Hope that helps.

Shadowmine wrote:

Poor guy, you will only be able to equip 3 ECM's instead of 4... Oh the horror...

Rex Amelius wrote:

Gunner wrote:

dont take it away, it will make it less easy to dominate beta

thanks

Hold on some one is saying there is a target on the far corner of Kent

<5 minutes later>

Got em. Back to mining on Nova

But if you got your target it must be helping the game by creating more pvp!

That allows me to snipe stuff inside the base to put it in emergency phase.

Ville wrote:

Burial wrote:

Transparent why Syndic only wants tuners touched.

Dude you were Throwing biased numbers out there!  How many tunnings were you stacking 2? 3? 4?  You completely made up an entire argument around a problem that doesn't exist!

There's never any point having more than 1 tuner and sometimes it's more worthwhile to have none.

Weedy wrote:

Devs, why do you want to leave EWAR pilots completely vulnerable to any DPS bots, unable in any way to defend themselves with those new changes?

Masking, speed, range, no LOS. What do you mean by completely vulnerable to DPS bots?