Zortarg wrote:

we have been at these discussion before.
fact is not everbody wants to go to beta/gamma.
the game neaads a healthy economy of carebears. look at eve. most of the player population sits in high sec. doing their things.
if you nerv alpha too much down no one will stay in the game that dont wants to go to beta/gamma.
these ppl will not be forced to play the way you want them to play. they will just look for another game.
alpha players need enough to do on their own.

i think alpha ore fields are small enough as they are. and mining solids is a pain in the azz...
make them smaller in size ok.. make the tiles have more ore for that so one field has the same yield. so you dont have to switch tiles all half miniute even if you spread your miners around...

to make beta and gamma more atractive there have to be other things like the standart ores that are highly sought after. for now we have epri and colixum. sadly we dont have the high demand in economy yet that would make it rewarding o go for that. if we get a economy that wants colixum badly then this will be a different thing. besides gamma islands can provide much more content in the future. if the devs find the time to develop it...

All I'm trying to say is that huge difference between Alpha and Beta income needs to be present. Holding Beta, farming on Beta etc is a lot more group effort than just kicking it on Alpha. Reward has to be there accordingly or why bother?

Phantomburn wrote:

Zortarg wrote:

they just want one thing:
that only they have controll over all viable resources. once they have set their "dominace" and grief everybody else out of beta. then the others have no viable income and will leave the game... so they "won the game"
isnt that your usual thinking pattern?

Are you serious?  Really? 

NSE gave you hokkogarus.  NSE gave away Kentagura.

What to try to get your lies straight?  Dude nothing's stopping you from going there and taking it.  And honestly what are YOU going to do with it when you get it hang out and collect sap loot?  You won't live on a beta.

I loved it when Kent and Hokk were open, Sansara had SI for a month never did anything with the island but did saps.  If one person showed up she's dock and log.  Its funny how everyone claims they don't need a station(beta or gamma) but i see people complaining about not being able to gather resources. How's about you stop looking at your personal stock of bots sitting there and collecting dust and use it.  I'll quote Ville on this "diplomacy works" it's not always pretty but it does work wonders.

they just want one thing:
that only they have controll over all viable resources. once they have set their "dominace" and grief everybody else out of beta. then the others have no viable income and will leave the game... so they "won the game"
isnt that your usual thinking pattern?

Celebro wrote:

I predict mission abuse on alpha as soon as it's live, and players whining there is not enough incentive to do them in Beta, and I would agree with them. Why? Because as long as it's 100% safe on alpha it's much easier to work around it, than suffer the dangers of beta.

Easy NIC/Hour even if it far lower than pvp islands, is better if you can do it 24/7.

Totally agree. Thats why Beta rewards should be 10 X alpha.

ewar still works. it works less as it did before. but it still works.
vaga still good same as zenith. and for enwar still works too, even if now its mosty done by seths instead of ictuses.

and yes i agree that they are a bit too week atm. but not as useless as most say. the only reason is that you compare before and after the patch. its different now, you might need other fits, and combat styles have changed.

for example rovocs neuting seth totally did *** up my mesmer in the last fight. i was out most of the time because i had no cap... so dont tell me its not working.
yes your 800m imba neut on this ictus is gone... same as 900m short demob zenith.
and personaly i think thats a good one. fights are also intresting now. its just different.

and no not all fights are over fast. we had plenty of fights with evar that still were long. just ask your nse friends. but i guess to figure it out you would acctually have to play the game. the forum warrior will not help.

for all that whish their old overview fights back i can just advice to keep playing eve. overview fights there are way better as i have heard.

once again... back to flaming, insulting and trying to put down your oposing one in a discussion with reasons that have nothing to do with the facts. i know you can do that well.. too bad its so obvious. cant win with the facts or if the other statements are not what you like then try to get then shut up in another way.

if we would suck so bad then why do you still need the doctrine of your boss.. never fight without having superiour numbers... you make me smile again ville...
your sides politics are so obvious... try to get more numbers and then we are so much better then the others. otherwise you dont even come out.

we had a good fight. and it was a even fight for a while until your little bomb suprised us a bit. wrong decisions have been made... and it ended quite fast after that.

look at your post ville. all it says is that you are a jerk with no respect of other ppl.

i had a good read in another forum a while ago. a simple statement:
"insults are the sign of an immature mind." that sais a lot about some persons here.

maybe a lot of ppl have forgotten that this is just a game. and that you play it with other humans. and what you have shown here for a long time is not how you play and talk with other humans.
and a game is for having fun in your free time. i dont know what you had. but i can say. perp in the last months was quite fun playing around with nse and ethos. they have guts, they fight, they experiment with their fits, and they show respect. its fun playing with and against them. they come to play and have fun. and not to win and dominate. maybe some ppl have forgotten what its for...

i cant tell you how you spend your free time. but i dont curse and insult other ppl that i spend my free time with.
besides its just a game.

and i still dont understand why the devs tolerate behaviour like this. we had good discussions about ideas in this forum in the past. but most ppl who cared and had good ideas have long left the forums. not because of the game, but because of how you get flamed in this forum. even if its about facts and ideas.
i would have banned these ppl that have nothing better to do then trolling, flaming and insulting here a long time ago. then we acctually might have gotten quite a lot good ideas here.
so its just the same as always. a monologe of a few ppl telling how bad everything is. yay.. that helps.

as so often. its not worth the time comming with good ideas here... just insults, trolls ...

but still.. successfully baited.

have a good night.

Phantomburn wrote:

Jita wrote:

Your a very wrong, very angry man that trades insults instead of facts.

http://youtu.be/BBgbY5NOzLc

Couple things we have wrong here.

MK1 Mesmer Versus Ictus MK2.

1.  The MK1 Mesmer Is shooting Chemo ammo, change that to magnadart ammo, and the ictus falls like a sack of ***.
2.  The Mk1 Mesmer does not have a neut or drainer in it's chest.
3.  The Mesmer MK1 does not have ANY reactor sealings in it's leg slots.  So it has 0 defense for the ictus.
4.  Your standing <300 M apart.  All the Mesmer has to do is back up  to the Mesmer's optimal range or into some falloff and the ictus can not neut you because it doesn't have the range.
5.  Switch to AutoCannons on the Mesmer and you'll be singing a different toon.

Ictus Mk2:

1.  If you get Demobbed in that fit your ***.
2.  You have no range, so you have to get in subpar demob range in that Ictus.
3.  Your still considerably slower than the other races.
4.  You are dealing with LOS constantly as an Ictus pilot.  You HAVE to run the game with the terrain turned up or you will be neuting a wall 100% of the time.

In Closing:

I can kill an Ictus MK2 very easily when a Mesmer mk1 is fit correctly and shoots pvp ammo,  I don't even sweat with Autocannons.

Fun Fact:  If you take a Mesmer mk1 and you shoot at a target dummy.  Regard how long it takes you to cap yourself out.  Compare the time that it took Jita to cap out the Mesmer mk1 versus the Ictus versus the time it took you to cap yourself out shooting a target dummy,

Edit:  And you'll understand why Nooodlz is correct.

i kept out of most of this for now...
but what the *** ... what a load of crap in this post...

yes the ictus is a bit underpowerd. but its far from what you make out of it.
of cource you can fit a mesmer to counter a icuts. or a seth, or a gropho. you could do that before the changes.
you can also fit a mesmer to counter a vaga, or a zenith ... or... or ...
but stay real. we talking about real pvp here. pls pilot that kind of mesmer next time on the beattlefields and you will be wiped of the floor because you will suck in any other way.

this here is no factual discussion. its a flaming around. stay real...

enough said.

ictus mk2 vs mesmer mk2 will result in a neuted out heavy every time. I dont get the hate.