Nah, we're fine. We got the best miners in the game.

Dont decrease the time the defender has to wait, make those who take multiple stations have to pay for holding them. That's been my going line now for this thread. If you decrease the amount of work an alliance has to do to hold 6 stations, it's kind of just I1.0 then.

Hunter, play game, you get good fights. We just had good fight vs chaos at uria. great job fighting. Don't zerg up, makes combat more fun.

That had control over domhalarm, norhoop and novastrov and didn't use their land. Yes I'm referring to those corps. Remember alexadar saying he never used norhoop anyhow? Wow I saw those 3-6 corps take use of it.

Also it must be the ones we saw use norhoop, or domhalarm like 2% of the time(LOL how often is norhoop populated? ). The ones with like 2-3 guys in it that never do anything but farm on telesis. Yep. They were just "waiting" for that beta oppurtunity to come out again and farm at at it, but previously they "couldn't."

Nice try gilgath, I'm not the only group on the server that sees through those fallacies(F-NAVY, TOG, M2S etc). Nova has about 2-3 active corps and that's it. Activity shouldn't be rewarded to inactive people.

Like I said, if alliance is having a hard time holding onto so many stations, maybe that's a sign to split up or control far less. Welcome to trying to take 6+ under the system. Get in a corp anyhow if you're going to make some logical premise.

Alliance features are already implemented via letting the defender have an hour to defend the sap, and allowing one to scan the exact time. If you're alliance needs a feature to get together an hour ahead, that's kind of silly(well your basic alliance benefits seem the same mobios, but extending them to make it easier for territory control should not be allowed -- the 1 hour defense covers that).

From the ones doing a fair bit of action we're noticing the same "alliance" trying to take much land again ie, nova is trying to take all of norhoop, nova is trying to take all of dom, and novastrov. Yet they are complaining that the system is hard, which rightly so it should be for 3 lands. Do you think it should be easier for a body to go back to 1.0?

One of the real keys or kicker is that, as mongolia jones has said "People dont want to be active in a game anymore" ie they simply want to go play something else while their sand castle sits for eons. No maintenance of their territory, no continued activity or play. They only wish to log in 1 time a week, and then say "We'll we've defended our 8 stations, we win." However now the new system keeps them on their toes, and taxes them for trying to take too many land masses.

The current system is innovative with regards to other mmorpgs. While there are pros and cons to it, we do notice that the defenders do actually have to involve themselves quite often in order to take and maintain a large amount of land. As opposed to other mmorpgs having territory control, where the defender can go lax and not have to maintain their control as much.

Again though I think it's too early to tell. I also think people see 100 as the golden ticker, while the control number should bounce back and forth overall( you should be fighting for your land etc ). An alliance shouldn't be able to take 8 stations in the game, and go on the offensive at the same time as a coherent large group. They should suffer a strain to control 8 stations.

This way newer groups can take stations, and add more diversity to the game.

We don't want this to happen, but notice this. Suppose an alliance decides, well we only need to log in 1 time a month now to hold our outpost. This can't happen under the current system, and as arga says, newer corps that have more activity can take these outposts that are left open while the less active alliances aren't playing.

Why should people who don't actively play a game be rewarded with a stake in territory?
They shouldn't.

The newer players should be, who are active and vibrant.

Untrue, your defenders don't need that many numbers. What your trying to accomodate is having 10x the numbers so you can move easily from sap to sap and control more. For someone that's so unworthy, I seem to be on the tip of your tongues every time you die.

Absolutely not. A big group goes to point A takes it, then just goes to B then C then D, and keeps going. If A,B,C are active and on multiple islands, big group can't go to multiples unless it splits. This is important and keeps groups like yours in check.

So you'd have to be at one place for an hour vs the other 6 you're trying to take. Well sorry, maybye the game is trying to say that smaller groups can have a chance to control an outpost.

I agree here.

Oh, we're also not failing. You've lost norhoop(which you're trying to retake), and we've managed to take saps and outpost from you on domhalarm. I count that as a push on my book, and you're complaining about having to defend "multiple" islands, which is the way it should be.

It was really fun watching ville hide behind several mechs and claiming such battleprowess, it was also fun taking down his friends in heavy mechs and forcing ville to fight with 20 people at his back. For one with such courage and prowess I'm amazed at his skill in making such comments. I'm glad my guys will fight with just 10 vs 20, or 10 vs 30. While others will wait to engage with having 2x or 3x the numbers.

I'm also glad ville fought with a group that claims to drive people from the game, and then complains about lack of pvp in the same thread. Awesome.

They've lost control of norhoop f-navy, and their stuck defending domhalarm now. Come back to the game and force another offense on them.

2 keeps your enemy in check as much as it keeps you active. If 2 is made easier for you, your enemy has to defend less and can be more offensive. Think about the consequences of that.

3 Yes I agree the intrusion timer scan should be removed.

7 No to alliance mechanics, it's already there with allowing an "Alliance" to guard a single sap together for an hour. Have you actually attacked anyone saps yet that have guards?

As a side note: I'd also like to know here if anyone besides war and 62nd has gone to fight a force at an intrusion sap. If anyone has any thoughts about that. Frankly I'm glad to see the larger alliances already complaining they have to hold their saps, because the harder it is, the more they are kept in check from controlling multiple lands.

When you use eve as an example we have to also remember the large areas of space that were just left empty because it was so easy to go on the offensive.

Hey f-navy, yesterday they lost koykilli, hydelhorn, and inertia. Come back, and make em loose more. You guys already made them loose lots of heavy. Come on aranol

seems like a lot of people angry that fnavy defeated cir & co many times. best of luck f-navy. Nova running when they outnumbered us was interesting.

Hope you guys come back, was fun to defeat nova with you.

lol serpens getting owned in game and in threads! Time to throw in towel rg. Throwing money at problems doesn't do much work for you.