Estamel Tharch0n wrote:

Yes it does it fixes the issue were one can hold it all.   this was a issue whit the game and a bad mechanic and you know it.

The point now is that it gets tedious to take all the betas like u have for the last 9 months.
Its also your side that keeps complaining abouth no pvp after patch and im pointing out the current state of pvp were there is barely any...

Maybe I'm not making this clear enough for you.  What i am trying to say is this:  Either remove SpT all together, and re-build the tele system and tele beacons for easier transport.  Or leave Spt system intact.  A half-assed band-aid is not gonna solve anything. 

I would like to point out a major flaw in the incoming system.  With 10 sparks tokens, we can still spark to 3 beta islands.  which means within about 5 mins we can still be anywhere, on any island.  The change that is coming has not fixed anything.  Do you see what I'm trying to say?

Fix the problem, or leave it alone.

Arga wrote:

Line wrote:

After a patch, you'll probably get some non-significant OPs that we will not gonna protect anymore.

This statement alone sums up the whole arguement, and that is exactly why SpT was broken, you COULD protect some OP that you didn't really even want because it was easy to do so.

The over arcing point of all of this is that people kept screaming that it will increase PVP.  It will in fact decrease it, because now we are going to be defending fewer stations then we were before.  The useless islands will be completely written off.  The only way this will not occur is if there is an influx of returning or new players to take up the unused stations and space.  <---  this wont happen FYI

This change wont help PVP, it will make PVP harder to come by, because now, you have to weigh the option of going on a roam to some OP that will take 20-30 mins to get to, with a significantly higher chance of no one being there to defend it.  The losing side, will still *** and moan because we will still be able to spark into our OP's and engage them.

This is all pointless talking now because the patch is coming.  But, I will say what everyone is hoping for, will not occur.  What is going to happen, is people like 62nd (or whatever the hell you call yourselves now) will come for about a month.  Take a station no one is defending.  Get utterly slaughtered when we come for PVP, (they don't have Syndic to come to there rescue this time), and leave again.  Then, one of the major powers (Most likely our alliance, because there isn't really anyone with the competence to take and hold stations against a sustained assault by our side) will take it back and we will be in the same position we are now, except the people who do remain will now have to walk everywhere.

Estamel Tharch0n wrote:

It does it gives ROOM for others to have and grow.   But ur to narow sighted to see these things because u just whant to have it all for ur self........     what ever horrible game mechanics u whant to keep dint bring any pvp or let me say better game paly to the game IF moving is the problem then that needs fixing not SpT.

Hunter srly get glasses and look around abit dont be so narow sighted think abouth it what if some one else had evry thing wuld u relly say that it was very good mechanics and it dint change any thing??

If you really was needed "a ROOM to have and grow", you could try diplomacy. You preferred to solve it in a military way. Either ninjaing or direct attacking, you've failed. Then SUDDENLY this thread got created and you whined here so much that Zoom got annoyed and decided to throw a change to get everyone finally shut up.

Yeah, really, SpT was the probblem. It made you weaker, so you wasn't able to beat us. It made you sillier, so you wasn't able to achieve something with a diplomacy., Yes, definitely it was SpT.

After a patch, you'll probably get some non-significant OPs that we will not gonna protect anymore. But don't expect too much, there is something you're missing completely. Let's just wait, guys, let's just wait.

Estamel Tharch0n wrote:

Line wrote:

Oh?  If this game isnt running properly in a year i dont think it will survive any longer

Oh, there were some targets? Sorry didn't noticed. Can you please mark them somehow next time? Maybe posting an island and coords of where you are when PvP is in progress?

So current mechanics does nothing to improve Pvp?

Just wait a bit, you will see.

Ville wrote:

Hunter wrote:

compare to us, your butthurt looks like a black hole.

Coming from the dude that's got two QQ threads in his forum signature.  To stir the hearts and minds of mice and men alike is to be preordained from divinity to ascend above the rest to motivate action.  I am merely a puppet to the collective thought.  The collective being and unification of a greater belief.  To me there is no I but a we guided through power and wisdom of the whole. 

So far, noone asked DEVs help to achieve something in PvP, so you guys are absolute champions of this game

Estamel Tharch0n wrote:

Burial wrote:

I understand something needs to be done with Sparks, I've said it many times.

But if the real issue is sparking around Betas and the suggested patch messes up most of the Gamma operations while only minorly affecting Beta and power projection while few really noticing it, it makes me worried.

Everything aside, can you answer my questions?

// Ville, that's good for you. Whenever I need a laugh like that, I look at this thread: http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … -comrades/

So what do u think is better as a change?
I think zoom said clerly that he was looking for a solution! )

But, it is a "problem" that you created or claimed was an issue for personal reasons. It can be left the way is it and not touched at all.

Canthra Monero wrote:

Here is an admission to the metagaming for all to see. It shows us more of what this whole thing is about. It isn't actually about the game it is about them (people such as ville) having some kind of victory when they cannot achieve one with actual gameplay. DEVS or more specifically Zoom you should pay attention to this because it is not something that is balancing the game or making it better it is just metagaming nonsense.

* Topic is: "Welcome to Truhold-Markson Beta Terminal - Where we make your missile bot dreams come true."
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[22:38:41] <Ville> You never learn Canthra?  You don't win wars with people in this game.  You win wars on the forums which influence the game
[22:39:21] <Ville> One day you will understand how to truly stir the hearts and minds of men.  Instead of having your strings pulled by the puppeteer.
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[22:40:29] <Matlan> O.o

And it all comes into focus. For the good of the game, right? Laughable....