Very true Inspiration. I didnt ment to prove anything with that. Adding accu usage, range and LOS would be minimal to try to compare weapons platforms. Even then other multiple parameters come in line so its much much more complicated than just dps power. But at least its one of the params clearly calculated, and not the easiest one.

Try to read the whole post not only the colored words next time youll save some time asking questions already answered.

About the hitsize of turrets/damage reduction of missiles:  Its exactly the same dps wize. One is based on chance to hit, the other on damage %. Obviously its considered you hit the same target with the same hitsize. Should i have specified this also?

And honestly, what Whys says is true. You should not give your opinion about something you dont really know. I never spoke about PvP. I just added some numbers to help the peoples that dont want to do the maths. Alright its offtopic, we also stated that.

BUT Annihilator, besides forum moderation and false pvp facts, i dunno what you added to this discussion anyway...

Yeah sorry Anni off topic nearly ended.

Angelwing thing is cycle time is rounded each tuner calculation. So ( 1 - % Tuning)^q is false in fact.

My gropho MK2 cycle time per tuner:

0=7 sec
1=6,48 sec (7-7,5%=6,475)
2=5,99 sec (6,48-7,5%=5,994)
3=5,54 sec (5,99-7,5%=5,54075)
4=5,12 sec (5,54-7,5%=5,1245)
5=4,74 sec (5,12-7,5%=4,736)
6=4,38 sec (4,74-7,5%=4,3845)

I made the boring calculation and ended up with 4,5 sec and 2,5 sec for the Mesmer and Seth respectively.

  I saw that when wondering why my full tuner gropho wasnt showing the good cycle time. But all in all, the assumption that Seth MK2 is superior DPS wise to Mesmer MK2 when full DPS fitted is true (wich is a bit sad imo)

Thx Angelwing for the multiple corrections (% of crit is 27% for the mesmer due to the 5 slots only. Typo for the gropho dps).

The rate of fire for mesmer and seth are ingame number you took or calculated? If calculated can you give me the formula?

Ok i made some maths with the corrected formula:

Considering:

*The player is in a mk2 heavy mech, has T4 medium module and single damage type ammo (compositecore, sonic, thermal (we will consider the missile ammo as ballistic to stay in the same range category as the others)).

*The heavy mech is fitted with full T4 tuners.

*The player has all the related extensions maxxed (Advanced robotic, faction robot control, advanced weapon type dmg, the 2 fire rate related extensions, target analysis, critical hit).

*The lvl3 +3%dmg +2% crit spark

Now with the numbers (all have been rounded like the game client does (i hope):

GROPHO MK2:

cycle time = 4,38 sec ; dmg modifier = 343,35% ; ammo 80 pts dmg ; crit 30% (+22,5% dmg)
DPS = 78,62 per module

MESMER MK2:

cycle time = 4,5 sec ; dmg modifier = 862.38% ; ammo 48 pts dmg ; crit 27% (+20,25% dmg)
DPS = 110,61 per module

SETH MK2:

cycle time = 2,5 sec ; dmg modifier = 446,36% ; ammo 48 pts dmg ; crit 40% (+30% dmg)
DPS = 111,41 per module

Feel free to correct me im sure only about the gropho stats, the others have been calculated but almost exact imo.

Ok the Seth MK2 out DPS the Mesmer MK2

EDIT: some corrections

please a bit offtopic but, someone help me with the damage bonus formula with mk2 its making me mad:

Now my experiment (I added the spark bonus in the formula):

lv8 target analysis
lv5 basic ballistic
lv10 advanced ballistic
lv10 advanced robotic

I put a T4 medium missile module on a empty gropho : result 200,23%
I put a T4 light missile module on the same gropho :     result 127,93%

That should be:

for the medium 100*(1+(10*0.05+10*0.03))*(1+(8*0.01))*1,03(the spark +3%dmg)
100*1,8*1,08*1,03 = 200,232  FINE

for the light 100*(1+5*0.03)*(1+(8*0.01))*1,03
100*1,15*1,08*1,03 = 127,926%  FINE

Now with a gropho mk2:

I put a T4 medium missile module on a empty gropho mk2 : result 218,77% ????
I put a T4 light missile module on the same gropho mk2 :     result 139,77% ????

That should be:

for the medium 100*(1+((10*0.05+10*0.01)+10*0.03))*(1+(8*0.01))*1,03
100*1,9*1,08*1,03 = 211,356%  WUT?

for the light 100*(1+(10*0,01+5*0.03))*(1+(8*0.01))*1,03
100*1,25*1,08*1,03 = 139,05%  ALMOST BUT... NOT GOOD

What is happening on a gropho mk2 that is making my formula false? Except the 10% dmg i cant see the difference with the mk1

I try everything with the 10% but it dont make it, the closer i can go is 220,2552% by adding the 10% first then normal formula.  Can someone make experiments with other  HM mk2 and give infos plz.

I will let them forever unread. It is your divine punition for being a bad, bad boy.

Ville i told you already forum spamming is bad for your heart.

The real problem lie in the fact that many "so called sandbox" players consider sandbox as a synonym of:

*hardcore pvp
*full loot ffa
*more generally griefer and rpk heaven....

You guys are totally wrong. Sandbox is not that. Some are arguing they dont want their game to become a Wowlike, that why you see go back to wow/swtor/whatever "themepark" game.

A TRUE sandbox can exist without a single pvp option, only pve. Again the balance between creation and destruction is off in this game and other so called sandboxes.

What majority of "so called carebears" wants is NOT being held by the hand and taught what to do like in a themepark game. They want to CREATE something, be it robots, structures, empires, wars, a STORY.  They would accept the fact that all they build can be destructed, if only the ONLY purpose of the majority of players was not ONLY destroy their stuff, for no particular reason.

Some like to build, some like to destroy. Its in the big scheme of sandbox mmos. But the truth is the "creators" get bored if what they do has no meaning except be a target or a "prey" as some like to say.

The peoples that say "advertise the game!!!" so we have many players. You guys are completely wrong. We had at a time a good 800 concurrent players at peak. Where are they?

The real problem is that the interesting zones of the game aka beta, where everything can and will happen, are empty. And the alpha is made less and less attractive in comparison, to protect the "risk VS reward" that some like to defend.  So the alpha dwellers are less and less, and a new player see an empty world ect...

So i will just say this for the "hardcore pvp crowd"  REMOVE THE *** OF YOUR EYES!!

The games dying, no PBS can save it if a fresh and positive base of "carebears" cant feel happy and participating actively in the STORY of the sandbox.  Mining or farming in poor alpha ressources is not enough.

What will happen with PBS guys? We all know it, certain peoples already said what they will do: GRIEF.  All they can, because thats how they enjoy the videogames. Who will build them? Not much, the strongest of the strongest.

Nobody asks himself why theres a new corp made of many strong and known old vets appearing? (eHarm)  IMO its a very very bad sign for the current playerbase health, understand who can.

Yeah its exactly that Sundial. Its a nerf in the way it lower the best farming spawn of alpha islands. Balancing the faction best spawns on alpha is not the subject thx.

IMO there are equal spawns on beta...