Feel free to remove all Ore seeds. These are not the faucets people use and nothing I argued had anything to do with Seed sales. If this was the core of this complaint, it's a non starter.

Do it in process like you are, to see if a new and improved exploit shows up in ie. insurance but the seed sale thing was never able to compete with even ground level plasma farming.

- Also, if I ever do find myself AFK farming in a Scarab it will be Liquizit and I will be doing it to make stuff.

How many replies do I need to provide? How many points can you ignore to say that? How much spin do you need to spurge to make this a debate? Searching, scanning, seriously? That's the backbone of your argument? Ignore that you still need all the other aspects of Industrial to make all that Titan useful.

Ignore the one key word that is missing in this entire flail of misinformation. The reason it isn't an issue.

FUN

Every other gamer out there wants to log in to a video game to have FUN. Not to find mind bending ways to make the game dysfunctional and eye bleeding, brain bleed simulations in online collaboration. It's only an issue in your mind. Really.

Here we go with the gerneric, EVE come back "you are doing it wrong" slappy happy claims of failed leadership and other gray area claims of blame.

I see why Zoom keeps deleting these.

Intersting, In game description:

The strange and rare CPU cortexes are used to upgrade data processing. By building them into your robot as a component, you can upgrade its parameters, creating their advanced, Mk2 versions. The exact build-up and working mechanism is still vague, the only way to obtain them is by searching for artifacts.

Cortexes are irrefutable evidences that Nia was once inhabited by a civilization, much more advanced than the three robotic factions that we already know.

This has nothing to do with what I just said.

- Even if you have 40,000 Billion HDT, Titan and every mined resource in the game, you don't AFK Cortex stocks and you don't AFK Kernal stocks, you don't AFK Fragment stocks, you don't AFK MK2 CT's, you don't AFK Nora, Prismo, Triandlus. And you don't nerf stuff just for exploiters, you nerf it for EVERYBODY. So the new person with the poorly fit Argano making 240K Nic an hr, ATK in game? He needs nerfed too? Because you will nerf him in design.

And no, you did NOT fight never ending wars to have unfettered Access to Beta. You had Gamma, by your own admission, it was a cake walk. You have more Gamma than you had players, you had more Beta than you had players. How many threads have you guys opened crying the bloo-bloo about how there is no PvP? How you tool all the Outposts with no resistance, How can you have so many great wars and not have had PvP?

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You don't even see the contradictions in everything you say. I've already pointed out, I can see the boredom that drives these complaints but the problem is, you don't see your own flawed thinking.

The only things that are being AFK mined in the billions are Epri, Liquizit and HDT.
Mechanics won't allow you to leave a bot AFK for 8 hrs to mine anyting else. It's all limited by the amount on a tile.

If you guys insist on mining out pool spawns and cashing them in to seeds, the rest of us don't care. We understand the industry well enough to know that even if we do this, even if we are sitting on 80 billion Nic, we can't do anything with it.

10 MK2 Waspish a day you say.
I looked, there is ONE on the market. ONE IN ALL the game. If you guys have that much production capacity, why aren't you selling them at cost? What's worse case sceanario? Someone actually buys them and loses them in a fight with you?

tl:dr you are heckling Devs and I don't know your motives. I can only assume its boredome.

The scenario describe reflects a new Industrial player in an Argano to me. Two poorly bonused Miners on an unlimited cargo is Noob in an argano, mining in to a can and 16 hrs, AFK or ATK with 8 accounts at 30 mill is 240K Nic/hr. If he cashed in twice? Thats half a mill an hr? They can't nerf that, it's already a joke.

Make a brand new character on a brand new account, simulate newb status and forecast how long it will take you to put 50 billion in a corp wallet. No Gamma exploits, no triangle stockpiles. Current mechanics, current potential. It's a pipe dream. It's great you guys have 50 billion on market but you have seen me working the game. I trade for Epr. I have 50 million Nic.

I keep looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. I see the potential in this game. I also see the amount of time you need to devote to it to become established. "Take longer to do really mundane garbage" like mine HDT and Titan isn't going to encourage, it's going to discourage.

- Added note: I'm not a fool. You guys are discouraged after 2 years and it comes down to, you don't have an equal, you don't have competition in a game that really doesn't offer much else. I don't see that changing any time soon. Even if a thousand new people show up tomorrow, they will need a minimum of 6 months before they are anything but short term entertainment for you guys and I don't know what Devs can do about that without flipping the entire game concept on its ear.

mailed you in game.

Selling Beta in this game is pretty comical.

Lets face it, you have Epri mining and..... well... Epri Mining.

full disclosure of my train of though:

So let the Overlords mine Epri because I sure as hell don't want to. Once you get over the illusion of risk, it's no diiferent than mining Liquizit for 10 hours a day. When it gluts the market and tanks to 5 NIC, ( and it will because they wasted all their time mining Epri and need the NIC) I will buy it and pander some more to the Overlord Ego, crying crocodile tears about how I wish I had  their Epri farms (not) and didn't need to buy it at 5% of my Alpha income.

You thought I avoided Beta cuz I are skeered of the PvP's? No, I don't want to upset my meal ticket. I make more farming tier 1 spawns on Alpha and that is saying something because that is like watching paint dry.

condensed version, PvP is lop sided?

We know this, it's the same scenario in EVE.
It's the real reason most refuse to FFA PvP. The system is linear and static. It isn't a flaw in Perp so much as it is a limit in game engines. It's also the reason most MMOs focus on PvE and campaign style gaming. They can entertain in the limits of the engine.

The politics will remain, people will still trollpost and *** but a forum based corporate template would provide corporations with official positions. There would be no need to reply 1400 times when someone does what I just did. Know some things and make the rest up.

I'd like to see rare, named Artifacts over the entire spectrum. Named Salvage to named Observer.

This is a sanbox factor. The NIC is there, it just isn't in the cookie cutter content like assignments. There is more NIC in finding a level 1 spawn and just killing for plasma. It won't get you as much as Cortex farming but that is very hit and miss, similar to MK2 CTs.

In addition, artifacting is a sort of forced trash factor. In order to repopulate your scans, you need to eliminate the ones there. If you don't do them they will stay there indefinitely.

- Knowing that if you have 10 infestations, you know you have 4 hrs of trash because I have never had a solid drop from an Infestation.
- Industrial and salvage do drop Cortex but its very rare and they are otherwise not even paying for the probes.
- If you get a dirty streak of Science on top of that, it can cost you millions in probes.
- Observer Stash are junk, the loot is in the Observer spawn and they will shred a new player in under a minute.

The point being, new players need to sandbox the content to make NIC and I do support that content direction. It's what sells Perpetuum or will if there is ever a concerted campaign to sell Perp, either company or player side.

I think that's called turn based. Will my Bishop only be moving in a diagonal fashion?

Serious, the system in place is FUBAR.