Consider enabling sales while still restricting purchases.

If you knew how to play them, affliction warlocks in Burning Crusade were awesome. Especially between lvl 33 and up to about 50. Destruction was also nice, but affliction earned much more tears because of the mechanics (and lol healing self so much you out-ranked priests in AB and WSG @39).

Back to the topic.

I'm noob and what I say may be wrong. But I think people is asking the wrong questions. The real question is not "why would an alfa corp want to move to beta" but "why would a beta corp that controls another territory want to conquer your territory". That reason would be valid for the alfa corps too, and then we may eventually ask wether there is an imbalance that prevent alfans to have a chance.

For what I understand there currently is no or extremely weak incentive for a beta corp that controls a similar outpost somewhere else, to desire the control of an enemy outpost. I know P is not EvE, but many here know how EvE works and there are similarities, therefore it's reasonable to use it for examples. The solution of the above problem in EvE is moongoo. This was especially true in the old mechanics when the development of nullsec (EvE's beta area) was still incomplete. Moons (at least some moons) were the most valuable resource in the game, only exploitable by the owner and the very definition of territorial control.

In P there is absolutely nothing in enemy territory that you cannot exploit without conquering that territory. Except for the outpost itself, which is not going to give you much more than what you already have if you control another similar outpost.

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That has to do with the fact that the economy is broken and the market is not yet developed. If you were to confront an horde of other manufacturers and traders fighting them for profits and the actual operational margins were razor thin, even a 0.5% (dis)advantage could be the difference between making money and losing it.

You do realize that the OP knows it already (he posted that formula on the forums earlier) and he's not asking how it's computed but why?

A weight or a volume total? You wrote weight, but you described a volume total.

You tried EvE, you did not understand it, you played it for too short to even have a chance to begin to understand it and also, probably, did not put in but a fraction of the needed effort. Now you say EvE is broken.

If you were to say it's too complex for your liking or it requires too much time and effort, than you could have been right (that is a subjective opinion and therefore there's no arguing). But you did not put it in subjective terms, you put it in objective terms. And you are just wrong.

That quote is very telling. Putting resources and blueprint into a factory and waiting is the easy part anyone can do. And if that's all you do you will lose money or, at best, earn just chips.

EvE professional manufacturing requires knowledge of the market, ability to project future market movements, ability to plan your productions, ability to procure resources, ability to plan and execute the logistics of moving the resources to the manufacturing plant and then moving the products to the market (and the logistics to keep the towers fueled), ability to market your products and, especially if you do T2 or T3 stuff, much much more.

Most of it is done in Excel and/or with some other professional analysis, projection and planning tool.

You do need several months of skilling on your character(s). But most importantly you need several months (probably years) to learn how to do it at the best as a player (and you need to be among the best, or the others will crush you: manufacturing PvP and marketing PvP are actually tougher than pew-pew PvP. Especially marketing).

Producing a few missiles from minerals you could move in a frigate, may be nothing more than putting stuff in and waiting to get stuff out, but when your get to needing average weekly (not to mention daily) mineral supplies measured in multiple freighterloads, act without careful planning and monitoring and you'll soon find yourself losing billions of isks in a matter of hours because someone farted.

I have told this to a GM in ingame chat several days ago and he told me the Devs had been alerted and would get on it ASAP.

I hope they fixed this in the update that was planned and has been postponed.

I still think they should hack a SQL script to find and remove them manually and run it periodically until the patch is out.

+1 to what Auguria wrote.

You cannot tank the whole spawn? Works as designed. You are not supposed to be able to tank the whole spawn. Not even half of it.

You do not tank all that damage. You avoid most of it.

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Things are a changing. I'm not very well connected with nullsec life today but I suspect it is now somewhat important to actually exploit the territory. The value of the territory itself is now tied to the amount of exploitation you do and the sheer number of supercapitals employed in current warfare suggests that the revenue from exploitation (or renting) is now important.

However this was not the case a few years ago (and the failcascades and other facts reported by the Mittani are a few years old). Money flow is the main concern. When having a fleet of capitals was something very few could afford, not only economically but also in terms of skills, one of the most powerful forces was not eve a real landlord: they were mercenaries. When capitals became common and supercapitals were rare, moon exploiting alone was all you needed to sustain your organization.

Yes, having renters was an advantage (more money was always better than less money). But many forces did not have them or had them but really could have survived without. Alliances with established control of territory had them or exploited the territory themselves. But alliances that were doing the conquest war often did not (and couldn't because they had not an established territory).

It's actually hard to say for sure, because the ever evolving situation makes the boundaries between "no need" and "need" blurred. Also because many of the "no need" actually did have them anyway. You would have to have full access to internal accounting by one of those big alliances to know how important the revenue from renters was. I was never an officer of any of them, therefore I do not know for sure. But from what I know I suspect that many could have done quite well even without the revenue from the renters.

In hindsight I think the main reason to exploit the territory was to build the economic capital needed to develop a large supercapital fleet. It was needed at the time, but it eventually became essential with recent developments. Therefore it was mostly a mid-long term necessity than it was a current one. I also suspect that most did not do it for that reason. I think they did have renters either for pure greed or to save the money in case they were to lose their territory and needed some economic inertia to fight back.

Also remember the big difference between renters and pets. Renters exploit the territory. Pets actually hold territory and administer it however they see fit, as long as they defend it and help you in your wars. Many were (and are) real renters. Few were or are real pets. It's just a derogatory name the enemy uses to indicate a less powerful ally (or just an ally of yours they are trying to insult by saying it's inferior to you).

Of course 10 is better than 9. But when you want to train two different things, are you going to invest in both or are you going to invest in one only? The way Perpetuum works right now is that you'd better invest in one only. Far better.

Those that specialize in one and only one thing will always be better served by investing only in what the specialize for. Those that do not specialize only one thing, and maybe want to develop two different opposite aspects, should be better served by investing in both aspects. This is not the case in Perpetuum: they are still better served by investing in only one of the two things they are going to develop. Even if they are going to develop them equally.

Except they do not need to exploit the space. And in EvE 'I can shoot you in the face through my foot' is power.

There are only a few things you *need* to exploit in the space you conquer (and they are the reasons you want to conquer it to begin with). Mostly moons. And they do it themselves. In the old times they would never let other people do it because control of the moons was the mechanic that defined control of the territory. Today the two things are unrelated so they exploit the moons that give insanely valuable resources and leave the rest unexploited or available for the renters.

The other "must have" are the structures needed to build capital (and supercapital) ships. These, once again, are anchored at moons. And it can only be done in conquerable territory (cannot use a hisec or lowsec moon for that). Also you do want to do it somewhere you have a tight control of because building one of those babies requires weeks (or months) for the build time and the equivalent of multiple man-months of mining in terms of raw minerals. You really do not want an enemy to destroy your factory while it's cooking a titan and holding all that ***. They used to do this themselves when you could count the number of supercapital ships in the whole game on the fingers of one hand (no way a pet or renter would be allowed to build one: he'd become stronger than you). Today we see fights with hundreds of supercapitals on each side. Go ahead renters and build some, then sell them to me anyway because you do not have the military force to use and defend them (they cannot be docked and are juicy targets) . Or do not: most of the blueprints and capital parts required (and often capitals themseves) are actually somewhat easy to buy on the (contract) market, nowadays.

Note that both moon mining and upercapital building are mostly AFK activities. You set it up and only need to go back once in a while to collect the produce and refuel the structures. It's mostly logistics (and marketing to acquire the resources or the fuel). But you do need to defend the structures (which is, in fact, what the military excel at).

Most military organizations have internal industry and good logistics. Very very few need to exploit the territory resources beyond moons and some NPC grinding.

One of the largest forces in EvE, years ago, had a very strong industrial focus. They also had numbers and a lot of military, but exploiting the territory, transforming through industry and then selling on the market was what they did best. Of course they had riches and resources and ships and fittings a gogo. In fact they were the first ones to succeed in building a supercapital. Which is one of the reasons they have been, soon after, been wiped off by a mostly dictatorial based military focussed force. Which of course also had a strong industry and controlled a very rich territory, but when you are among the top 2 or 3 forces in the game, of course you do have all aspects covered. Still military is the enabling aspect. You can me somewhat successful with military (and logistics) only. You can do nothing without a strong military arm (or ally). Of course get all aspects covered and you'll be better than military only. As long as your military subset is actually stronger than any potential military only force. Else they'll crush you.

I'm not. I'm trying to tell you what the reality of EvE is and why, probably, the social mechanics we were discussing earlier (like failcascades) were not due to weak leadership (which is what you were considering the cause).

Sure. Also what I like of these games are the social, political and economic (mostly the economic, if you consider industry and politics as being part of the economy forces) dynamics. I'd even go as far as saying that I'm more interested in observing those dynamics than in participating in them.

I do play. Casually, if you want. But the main reason I will, most likely, keep a subscription (or, in the worst case, subscribe for a month once in a while) to both EvE and Perpettum (and a few other games, but none yet is as good in this regard as EvE is) is to observe what is changing over time. Much more than actually playing. I do need to play a little because a lot of this *** is absolutely invisible to whoever doesn't play. Most EvE players (and devs) do not understand the EvE market and not even the EvE industry, as seen as a market force (I'll do what everyone does and pull a percentage out of my ***: 95% to 99% of EvE players and devs do not understand it). I myself probably only understand it only to a small degree.

All of them understand what is clearly visible. Few understand what is going on beyond that (for those coming from EvE: Akita T and few others probably get it a notch better than the devs themselves, including Dr. Eyjo).