That's Ville speak for "Omg, look! New targets!"

You do? The killboards don't support this statement, and we logged in the other day to provoke a fight, waited around for a half hour or so outside tellesis, and on the gate and only 3 people showed up and wouldn't engage. Jita and I shot each other under tellesis and neither of us fit a rep so we were both on fire and I even said as much in general chat and no one even bothered to undock and check.

I don't consider playing other games and being on jabber to be the same as playing perpetuum.

Maybe Gremrod should come up with a way to purchase the game from AC.

The only bad thing that could happen is the game finally flatlines for good. Not as if it isn't headed there anyways, the way things are currently going.

See, that's where you're wrong. It's all of those things you mentioned, AND player behavior. For most of the people I know it's the lack of will to log in and fight, knowing that a) at some point we will get outnumbered by the current largest alliance and die, and b) there will be mass amounts of trolling, slandering, and badmouthing we will get in any scenario that happens to involve you folks.

Why would I or anyone else really, want to log in and grind missions or npcs over and over when the end result will always be the above? I don't mind working for the things I need to fight in game, a lot of people don't. But there's only so many times I and others like me can do the same thing over and over with the same outcome before we start looking for fun elsewhere.

I've told you before, you and your alliance have the power to change things for the better in this game for EVERYONE playing it, except maybe sindicks ego. Yay, you guys won! You defeated the evil JOKE and everyone else on the server and are the last 3 corps left standing. You've beaten everyone else into submission. NOW WHAT? Just sit back and watch as the game finally stops sputtering and dies? You could have many more fun engagements at your fingertips and yet you refuse to even consider the possibility. I'm sure some of the more hardcore JOKE guys would come back if you did, and you'd see even more small scale pvp.

You keep saying you guys are best buddies, so you don't want to break up your man love affair. Is it because of fear? Fear that you won't measure up against the competiton? Fear that you'll start to hate those guys that you were buddies with on a few weeks prior? If you were that good of friends, I'm sure that you could pvp against each other and keep it friendly - if you wanted to.

I know, wall of text; TL;DR You're wrong, player behavior is a MAJOR factor for the decline.

I wouldn't say leaps and bounds over "everyone" on the server. Maybe over cir and the rest of the then dom alliance, but norhoop, Chaos, HUN, RG and JOKE certainly held our own against them and *gasp* even won a fight or two.

The biggest difference then was that there was an alliance per island, and now there's more islands.... but one alliance controls it all.

*edit* BTW, I don't want you to misconstrue my meaning with all of this. I'm not actually for unlocking all the beta outposts, and honestly I can remember how much of a pain in the *** it was when we lived in Karapyth, always having neutral arkhe pilots undocking to scout, and that was when an arkhe could see 1000m. I merely used this discussion as a tool to hopefully get my point across to certain people that the way they play is NOT okay, and hopefully get them to see their own foolishness and folly in the way I was acting.

A person can dream anyways.

Forgive my ignorance on the issue, but wouldn't it be possible to limit the amount of instances being run at the same time? I don't care if they have 100 accounts, you're only able to play 1 at a time per computer? Would there be a way to limit it so that people with multiple computers can't just bypass it that way?

Please enlighten everyone to our mistakes! We're not the ones that manufactured excuses to hate the other team so as to drive them from the game, nor was that ever our intention to begin with when we left the alliance. We set out to shake things up, get some more pvp, and we did. YOU and YOURS made it a mission to destroy by any means nessicary, that which you didn't like, as if our existence was somehow an affront to you.

I guess our biggest mistake really is thinking that STAG would hold their own on another island, but they up and disappeared as soon as we left the alliance. Our intention was a 3 way fight like the old days. But, alas, you're not interested in anything but dominating everyone and everything.

Reset each other yet?

There's a very simple way to fix this and all the other problems....

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Sounds like First World problems to me.

Like I said in a previous post, I'm just getting on board with the cir way of thinking. Screw everyone else so long as number one is having fun.

But hey... It's how I want to play. That makes it ok if I were to think/act like a cir/77th member. You know,I want to grind corps out of the game. I want to own every beta station in the game because I am too afraid to reset 77th cause they might beat us.

I'm getting on board with having it your way. Just like burger king. Least I will be playing.

The problem I see with the logic is this. You're dealing with people, and people inherently want the least amount of risk for the most amount of reward. This is why you have people banding together to achieve a common goal instead of standing on their own merits, or lack thereof, and staying that way because the idea of their pixels exploding is too disheartening to fathom.

And when you're dealing with time, it's relative to the situation. I was reading thru some of my old post not too long ago, and there was a post I made nearly 4 years ago about having to spend 4X as much time on boring/grindy gameplay to get to the 1 or 2 hours (max) of fun stuff. You can really only expect people to do that a few times before most will give up and spend their "time" doing things that they consider fun - even if that means not spending time in this game.