I'm not sure I agree. Even the biggest corps in the game right now can't project CONSTANT force on more than one island. That's a lot better than only requiring a corp to project force once a week at some random time.

Will a truly massive corp be able to hold its space? Yeah, I guess so - but they were able to before. The difference is that they won't be able to hold nearly so much, opening up the space for other folks.

I like it.

Well gee, Syndic, pardon us if we think that CIR's reasons for wanting to get another Wiki running might just be motivated by something than the higher ideal you claim to have and are often mocked for your failure to uphold. Gasp.

The wiki is neutral. Your determination to ignore that is not our problem. Your inability to get Wikipedia to accept you is also not our problem. If you also lack the sufficient numbers of motivated people to start your own wiki and make it thrive, this, thirdly, continues to not be our problem.  One wonders why, in the last seven months of your sizable corporation, you never had an interest in this venture before, or why you chose to do so now. Hmmm...

Create what you want, duplicate what you want, do what you want. We think having multiple wikis instead of one collaborative effort when there's been no demonstrated problem with the original is shortsighted and self-serving (it's not hard to create a backup, after all), but then again, we think a lot of what CIR does in and out of game falls excellently under that label, so why should this be any different?

Our wiki is intended to be a resource for people who play the game, not an advertisement on Wikipedia. That's the bottom line and the only thing we care about, and that's where our interest ends. If you take the material and try to do something else with it, have at it. Either way, not our problem. Have a day.

Robbie's post is in no way reflective of the general consensus of FOOM, nor FOOM's wishes.

FOOM's issue with living on beta was actually not the PVP experience, no matter what certain egotisticals seem to think. We lived in far harsher climates in that other game for far longer and did just fine, thanks.

It's simply that the hassle factor wasn't worth the benefits at our EP level. It doesn't matter how good the pilots are - when it takes five or six of you to clear a roaming spawn of Superior Observers, because none of you can drive a heavy mech, and your normal mech pilots are mediocre in their bots, that's a hassle. When the roaming spawns cruise by every two hours, that's a significant pain in the ***. Lump in with that the distance from Laosura to any off-island teleport, and you either get to piss money into the breeze on teleporters (which have their own issues) or set up the longest friggin Sequer chain ever. (We're only now getting into the Lithus realm, and we're already seeing that they're insufficient, as well.)

What Robbie's talking about is his own thing. We learned a lot from the beta experience - which was all we were really ever after; to find out WTF goes on out there and what we'd need to make a proper go of it. We were frankly pretty amazed someone didn't just come by and take the place, but the reason no one did, we know now, is ultimately the same reason there are so many vacant outposts and islands: it's just not worth the hassle. You either have to have stupid numbers of player (at least at our EP, though I suspect that only mitigates slightly over time) or you have to have an immense amount of tolerance for hassle, and we have neither. So we left. When, not if, we return to beta, we'll come back quite ready for it, but the Laosura Experiment (that was our in-house name for it from day one) was pretty much completed when we got to see how the intrusion protection system worked last week.

(Seriously? You don't even get a notification mail when someone registers to take your outpost? And they don't get one when you throw the protection card down? Seriously?)

Anyhow. My own opinion of things is that I think the newer entities ought to get together on an Alpha-2 (they have more interesting terrain, IMO) and all show up in lights/assaults, flag themselves, and have a lovely battle royale once a week or so, and then talk about what they learned with each other afterwards. If someone else shows up and flags in something bigger, the two scrimmage-sides put their differences aside and go for the third party until that's resolved. If a large third party shows, we leave the area utilizing speed and terrain until our flags wear off.

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You find any censorship there, you let me know. The wiki is open to anyone to edit, and the logs would clearly show if someone started screwing around with it, and the logs are also open to view.

More knowledge base is good, though, so I don't mind seeing another one spring up. Anyone who plays Perp is an involved party, btw - and if you think Wikipedia doesn't have censorship and manipulation, I have an oil derrick in New York City for you.

Ninja edit: FWIW, we deliberately included a section for corps to describe themselves as a way to hopefully encourage others to get in there and edit. We really wouldn't mind other hands in the mix. There's a lot of game here for one corp to document, and we surely don't know all of it.

A thoroughly enjoyable and well-moderated experience. I hope the dev team takes the discourse to heart; I think some very reasonable positions were established.

Madame, if 12 people are considered a zerg, this game is in a sad, sad way indeed.