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DEV Zoom wrote:Homer J Simpson wrote:@ Zoom: one issue i can think of tho is even if you allow for terraforming to be passable to ligh/ assault bots heres an issue i see. With the current TF plans we can make you could raise up the plan & form a "shear cliff" edge along the plan boarders thus allowing players to still form walls.
Yes, it's certainly not an easy problem to solve. It's one thing that the server can easily validate terrain slopes, the harder part is to make the client-side terraforming tools consider the limits in real time. Or if not, then at least help you in easily resolving invalid slopes.
I thought of 3 ways to combat this...
1. If TFing plans are still used, Have the edges of the plan Auto smooth along plan boarders to Light bot Terrain Slope.
2. It might still be possible to create "cliffs tiles" thru the use of TF Beacons. to negate this instead of having a Beacon TF tile within a 100m Radius or what ever it is. Have Beacons terraform the whole Plan at once. this would require beacons to be placed on the edges of a plan & that players TFing stand outside the plane boundaries.
3. Remove TF beacon/ Tf Plans & have all TFing be done with Single Tile Terraformers. This might be an easier option as you can only target 1 tile moving it up & down. The higher or lower the tile the greater the fall off.
You could have different Ammo types for different slope grades. I could go on but i think you get the general idea of where im going. 
As for Terminals having CPU & Grid for MPC networks it would be cool if T1 T2 T3 terminals have more CPU & Grid as u get more advanced.
Edit: +1 to every thing Celebro just said above me
Ville wrote:Zoom, the problem is simple. The turrets out shoot players and Hit 3 times as hard as players. If you take offensive terraforming away then (building cover for players to hide behind) we as attackers will need some way to "cover" us during an assault. Similar to what Opti said. If not the bases will just be OP as hell.
Perhaps Its time to get artillery into the game as part of some PROPER gamma siege game play while were at it. This would go some way to helping solve some of the issues you have mentioned.
Also Destroyer / Walker mechs! 
First up just a Quick note to say: ABOUT TIME ZOOM! lol 
*Golf claps* 
I got a few things i wanna point out but im still reading thru all the posts but i just have to make i point with regards:
Jita wrote:This would force people to create small contained bases but still have some of the awesome beautiful terraforming you see around the game now. Changing terraforming inh the way you describe will make gamma bland and miss out on some really cool design.
The Current terraforming yes does allow for very cool looking bases it has 1 problem: Players are given WAY to much power. This power will always be abused. And the current form of Terraforming is VERY bad for game play. Terraforming should never be your first choice for base defense Like it is now. Terraforming should be a secondary option to add to your defenses.
So on this note i support Zooms idea for changing Terraforming.
@ Zoom: one issue i can think of tho is even if you allow for terraforming to be passable to ligh/ assault bots heres an issue i see. With the current TF plans we can make you could raise up the plan & form a "shear cliff" edge along the plan boarders thus allowing players to still form walls.
any way that will do for this post for now
+1 for X,Y co-ordinates on KMs (with delay only)
Gamma PVP is fun but even so being able to wall off an island 2km out from TPs is still bad design & the longer this isnt fixed the more nerd rage the devs will cop in the future.
Since more people will have sunk time into building these kind of defenses.
IMO better to get some kind of nerf / mechanic change with a small population & follow up later on with some further balancing.
i remember a little bug / feature perpetuum has back in the early days ... if you were inactive for 15-20 mins the game would kick you
When your in playing around with a TerraForming plan it is resetting its self at random times while your working on it. This has just started to happen after the patch.
I dont know how hard this would be but its a feature that has been asked about for YEARS: A Contract System i am sick to death of having to be online to trade Stuff to people. DEVs please if its not to much trouble
Gremrod wrote:One land mass!
DUDE that would be so freeking cool You know it wouldnt even have to be one land mass imho Hover mechs should be able to cross the seas between the islands. hell have not just scarabs but also carriers & destroyers & coz its over water theres no LOS so easier for the devs to make larger mechs
WIN WIN
to me the whole alpha - beta - gamma relationship is up the creek.
Alpha Missions suck so bad (ya i know devs are fixing em but yEah). Hiighway & Tp Network layout makes new & old players wanna kill them selves.
Beta has some missions i guess that MIGHT be worth doing. Epi is now on beta but hey with any real in game population good luck on being able to mine it! (looking at you detectors).
Gammas have the biggest joke for NPCs outside of beacon pit farming. Terraforming mechanics that are used to brake WAY to many game mechanics. Epi was only moved off Gamma coz this was an easy bandaid instead of fixing the real issues.
So yeah Beta does need some love BUT just trying to address Beta at the cost of looking at how the WHOLE system inter relates will just keep this cycle going on forever.
I mean really these forum threads about these same issues have been going on for over 3 years now. its like watching a dog chase its own tail.
wtf not this again.... The DEVs should never do EP resets for when a game changes unless an Extension is removed. Seriously EVERY time the devs make a change theres always a small but vocal minority that cry for a ep reset.
When the production system was changed to a points systems people cried for a indy reset i said F*** that im keeping what ever advantages i have, i dont care if its now less than what it was b4 still works in my favore.
This is a sand box game where your actions & what you do & train with you Alter ego mean something. new players get 30days to undo any little F***ups they make.
You want a real issue to get on the DEVs backs about when it comes to Extension refunds how about...
Refunding or fixing the broken Harvesting Extensions?
From Zoom in general Chat awhile ago :
http://pastebin.com/CGYGBnrX
just incase your lazy:
[22:49:17] <DEV Zoom> it can't be done, because the other extensions that we have now don't even work
[22:49:40] <DEV Zoom> well, they work, but all of them work globally, not specific to a plant
[22:50:10] <DEV Zoom> no, all of them stack now
[22:54:17] <Tonnik> either reduce everything to a single skill based on an average of your harevsting skills and refund exccess rp (ep?)
So why dont we get on this little chestnut. The devs should refund us for EP that has been spent on extensions that are broken. or better get either make them work as they should OR get rid of them all & give us some simplified extensions that actually make sense
well heres the thing. ok so a T3 term Proto is 2.3bill. how you CT that proto How many runs from that CT could you make? 10? 20? Even if its 10 thats a build cost of 230m per station & for a T3 station that sounds very reasonable. You can then also extend the life of your CTs by combining old ones.
theres also a number of other ways you can cut production costs.
Having MPC proto buildings wouldnt be the end of the world & it would allow for market competition AND give new corps a way to a new gamma setup without us old farts giving away all the tech weve got.
untill then i will be happy to sell what T3 tech i have
So i was walking around & noticed that there are 2 suns in the sky. This surprised me.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2rxwi9f.png
Now heres my question. if you have 2 distinct points of light, shouldn't there be 2 different shadows cast from 1 object?
MPC buildings need to switch to a proto system other wise no one will ever trade.
BUT it only takes 1 person to Stuff up the whole show So i will start selling T3 buildings to any one thats want them.
Then we will see who will start crying.
Pm / email me ingame i dont have all the T3 buildings but im getting there
Merkle wrote:BF4 Beta weekend! GO!
PS2 > BF4
Just incase you have never heard of it War Thunder is a MMO combat game dedicated to World War II military aviation, armored vehicles, and fleets.
You will take part in all of the major combat battles, fighting with real players all over the world.
If you have ever played World Of Tanks well soon War Thunder will have full Tank battles to.
The developers are also working on Navel Warfare. these fights last i read are planned to happen simultaneously within the same game. land, sea & air.
lets see if they can pull it off!
For now BETA testing has the Air war part only.
check it out its a Free to Play game
http://warthunder.com/en/registration?r … te_6675271
i would like to see some kind of weapon that does some terraforming damage
I agree with What Blocker posted above 100% it is beyond stupid that on Alpha 2 we have orange spawns. Back when we had the EVE influx noob had a ton of fun hunting down Observer's on shinjala. The effort & planning they needed to do to engage NPCs (more for of the higher classes) was fun & not a pure mindless grind.
I can understand what the DEVs were trying to do but in doing it they killed one of the better aspects of this game.
Keep Alpha 1s orange, bring back alpha 2s to their former glory & more.
Also Martha Has some really good ideas that would be nice to see done!
well maybe not point 4
Ville wrote:Can we get Chinese support too?
I vote for a Perpetuum Server Based in china!
Kvazio wrote:Chemist wrote:Пишу с трубы. буду краток.
идея с капсулами очень врезалась в мозг.
2 типа капсул - источник и приёмник. ставить и тех и других можно сколь угодно. каждой входящей капсуле доступны все выходящие, которые на данный момент развёрнуты в отряде. время на развёртку капсул. прыгаем текущими ботами. плюсы - быстрая переброска войск на любые расстояния (как сейчас спарками, но без ботов) в любое место на острове (привет, майнеры - грузовик заказывали?). повышенные ограничения по радиусу активации (мб 2 км от тп/терминалов). у фармеров/мискодрочеров и тп есть шанс свалить пока заряжается капсула. есть шанс контратаковать. есть вероятность при отступлении нарваться на другую готовую капсулу и получить по рогам. вывод денег из игры.
как альтернатива, ограничить дистанцию такой капсулы (как я писал про спарки - 1 остров - 1 свободный спарк), для построения сети телепортов. допустим, капсулу разворачивают на даодене и раошане. мы ставим на герше и в 2приёма прыг на раошан. даже можно 1 тип капсул, работающую на вход/выход.
минусы пока не думал )
таким образом, внутри отряда будет сеть телепортов, которая сейчас активна.
Dobro RUS wrote:Раз уж у нас есть возможность строить здания и изменять ландшафт, то в предложеный мной способ можно внести несколько изменений и получится прекрасная возможность для благоустройства гамма островов.
1. после развертывания капсулы (мини телепорта) ее можно запитать в сеть на гамме и тогда на базе будет свой ТП. Так же есть возможность покрыть сетью ТП весь остров (ограничить правилами установки). Объекы разрушаемы
2. на бетта острове нет возможности строить здания, но есть возможность подвезти заряды или заливать акум с передатчика энергии (на подобии коликсиумного здания)
И да, пользоваться ей может только отряд или ввести корпоративные скилы. Каждый уровень дает возможность на установку одной капсулы. Как пробка. Тогда пользоваться ими может только корпорация или те персонажи, к корпорациям которых установлены плюсовые отношения
Два совершенно разных варианта, но вполне могут сосуществовать вместе!
Кто может красиво описать на английском ?
использовать Google Translate, как мы должны для русского текста
DEV Zoom wrote:Having the wiki in other languages is a bad idea as long as the English one is not even close to complete. Our goal was (well, it still is) to bring it up to date so we can include it in the client in place of the current guide. Other languages could come after that.
We have a Wiki ????
Also Zoom why not give the Russians & others a forum section? you cant properly moderate the English section when Russians & others Post so whats the difference ?
Zoom you miss so many English posts with people swearing whats the Difference with a few Russian Terms getting thru ?
i mean i have meany times said Sh*t Bugg*r Bl**dy D*ck Pen*s & V*ly & you never cleaned my post up
sooo i guess its the russian communities turn to argu about the pros & cons of the Spark Telleport system.
this should be interesting.
let me get some Vodka
now i wonder what that infograph would look like if it showed corps by number of active players over the last week
Ville wrote:Recruitment is closed.
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Zortarg Calltar wrote:come on...
40 pages...
you can do it !
well heres the question how Sh*t do our posts have to get b4 zoom nukes em ?
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